Are smokeless muzzleloaders legal in Tennessee and are fire sticks now legal??

[Bobyote]

I'm confused on this as I had a cousin who got a fire stick when they first came out and then had to sell it?

 

[rem270]

Yes smokeless is legal. Honestly have no clue what a fire stick is so no help there.

 

[BLOODTRAIL]

I don't believe the fire stick is legal.

 

[Bear15]

Yes, the Firestick is now legal….but in my personal opinion it shouldn't be.

 

[Bobyote]

Anybody ever shoot or recommend a smokeless muzzleloader?

 

[philsanchez76]

Anybody ever shoot or recommend a smokeless muzzleloader?

I bought a CVA scout single shot 45-70 last year and sent it off to be converted to a smokeless 45 cal. Ive killed 3 deer with it this year already and it is deadly accurate both with 45 cal bullets and 40 cal bullets in a sabot. All pass throughs with great blood trails unlike my old muzzleloader which very rarely gave me a blood trail to follow. This has been my best hunting investment to date ($300 for the gun and $300 for the conversion and then a couple other things like a 45 cal bullet sizer). If you have a higher budget than me you can buy much nicer smokeless guns too.

 

[Teacher]

I bought a CVA scout single shot 45-70 last year and sent it off to be converted to a smokeless 45 cal. Ive killed 3 deer with it this year already and it is ..........................

Who did your conversion?
Thanks for the info to come.

 

[philsanchez76]

Who did your conversion?
Thanks for the info to come.

Jeff Hankins. He's up in Kentucky. Mailed my barrel to him and it was back at my house within 7 days. Here's his site.

https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/

 

[cecil30-30]

I bought a CVA scout single shot 45-70 last year and sent it off to be converted to a smokeless 45 cal. Ive killed 3 deer with it this year already and it is deadly accurate both with 45 cal bullets and 40 cal bullets in a sabot. All pass throughs with great blood trails unlike my old muzzleloader which very rarely gave me a blood trail to follow. This has been my best hunting investment to date ($300 for the gun and $300 for the conversion and then a couple other things like a 45 cal bullet sizer). If you have a higher budget than me you can buy much nicer smokeless guns too.

I did the same thing with a h&r 45-70 shoots amazing with 58 grs n120 and a 200gr sst. Like you say, probably one of the best investments I've made in the hunting realm.

 

[philsanchez76]

I did the same thing with a h&r 45-70 shoots amazing with 58 grs n120 and a 200gr sst. Like you say, probably one of the best investments I've made in the hunting realm.

100%! im shooting IMR4198 and 228 grain Pittman Accumax

 

[Jack Reed]

1. Definition of muzzleloader updated. Muzzleloading firearms are defined as those firearms in which a projectile (rifle) or projectiles (shotgun) must be loaded from the muzzle (front) end of the barrel and the firearm being of design and manufacture that prevents the projectile(s) from being loaded from the breech (rear) end. See Manner & Means.
2. Do either one of those fall in this category? Not sure just asking.

 

[BlackBelt]

A FireStick is a polymer shell that only holds powder (no bullet) and is loaded from the breach. Then you close the action and insert a bullet from the muzzle end.
It uses a 209 primer to set it off.

Edited to add: Currently only the Traditions NitroFire muzzleloader can use FireSticks.

 

[Jack Reed]

A FireStick is a polymer shell that only holds powder (no bullet) and is loaded from the breach. Then you close the action and insert a bullet from the muzzle end.
It uses a 209 primer to set it off.

Thanks, love the knowledge you people have here. Trying to b a sponge

 

[ttf909]

Anybody ever shoot or recommend a smokeless muzzleloader?

Tims from this site builds remington custome smokeless . U can look up user dully if u can't find him.

 

[East TN Hunter]

Anybody ever shoot or recommend a smokeless muzzleloader?

Love my savage ml2

 

[JeepKuntry]

Yes, the Firestick is now legal….but in my personal opinion it shouldn't be.

Imo you should be able to use shotguns during ML season. Most ML's have better accuracy downrange. Just can't reload as quickly. Some states straight wall are legal. TWRA won't do it because it would affect money to them but we could archery then firearms and remove the 2 week ML that part of the state has!

 

[mike243]

A shotgun sound never be allowed in the muzzle loader season, they start that yugo and I will just use a rifle when they open bow.

 

[Bobyote]

Jeff Hankins. He's up in Kentucky. Mailed my barrel to him and it was back at my house within 7 days. Here's his site.

https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/

Sounds like a plan! How accurate is the rifle out past 150? Also what bullets and powder do you need? Still 209 primers? I'm clueless but smokeless and a blood trail! I'm in!

 

[Bobyote]

I bought a CVA scout single shot 45-70 last year and sent it off to be converted to a smokeless 45 cal. Ive killed 3 deer with it this year already and it is deadly accurate both with 45 cal bullets and 40 cal bullets in a sabot. All pass throughs with great blood trails unlike my old muzzleloader which very rarely gave me a blood trail to follow. This has been my best hunting investment to date ($300 for the gun and $300 for the conversion and then a couple other things like a 45 cal bullet sizer). If you have a higher budget than me you can buy much nicer smokeless guns too.

Sounds like a plan! How accurate is the rifle out past 150? Also what bullets and powder do you need? Still 209 primers? I'm clueless but smokeless and a blood trail! I'm in!

I bought a CVA scout single shot 45-70 last year and sent it off to be converted to a smokeless 45 cal. Ive killed 3 deer with it this year already and it is deadly accurate both with 45 cal bullets and 40 cal bullets in a sabot. All pass throughs with great blood trails unlike my old muzzleloader which very rarely gave me a blood trail to follow. This has been my best hunting investment to date ($300 for the gun and $300 for the conversion and then a couple other things like a 45 cal bullet sizer). If you have a higher budget than me you can buy much nicer smokeless guns too.

Sounds like a plan! How accurate is the rifle out past 150? Also what bullets and powder do you need? Still 209 primers? I'm clueless but smokeless and a blood trail! I'm in!

 

[philsanchez76]

Sounds like a plan! How accurate is the rifle out past 150? Also what bullets and powder do you need? Still 209 primers? I'm clueless but smokeless and a blood trail! I'm in!

Sounds like a plan! How accurate is the rifle out past 150? Also what bullets and powder do you need? Still 209 primers? I'm clueless but smokeless and a blood trail! I'm in!

I only have a 100 yard max range in my yard and the longest shot on a deer this year has been 95 yards so I can't honestly say what accuracy is like past 150. I'm sure ill get to test it out here soon. My groups at 100 yards are touching clover leaf all day though. Ive had good results with A5744, IMR4198, H4198 and IMR4227 so far. I know there's lots of others that work well too (N120 for one). You can use 40 cal with harvester sabots or 45 cal and bore size it. Ive used hornady XTPs in 45, Barnes TEZ in 45, Hammer bullets in 45, Eagle creeks in 45. The only 40 cal ive used are Pittman bullets. Guy out of Seymour TN who makes custom smokeless muzzleloader bullets. Your options are just through the roof compared to regular muzzleloader projectiles. I also use Large rifle or Large rifle magnum primers. no more 209s.

 

[Bobyote]

I only have a 100 yard max range in my yard and the longest shot on a deer this year has been 95 yards so I can't honestly say what accuracy is like past 150. I'm sure I'll get to test it out here soon. My groups at 100 yards are touching clover leaf all day though. Ive had good results with A5744, IMR4198, H4198 and IMR4227 so far. I know there's lots of others that work well too (N120 for one). You can use 40 cal with harvester sabots or 45 cal and bore size it. Ive used hornady XTPs in 45, Barnes TEZ in 45, Hammer bullets in 45, Eagle creeks in 45. The only 40 cal ive used are Pittman bullets. Guy out of Seymour TN who makes custom smokeless muzzleloader bullets. Your options are just through the roof compared to regular muzzleloader projectiles. I also use Large rifle or Large rifle magnum primers. no more 209s.

Awesome! So where do u order your powder from and what do you mean bore size the 45. Thank you for all the help.

 

[philsanchez76]

Awesome! So where do u order your powder from and what do you mean bore size the 45. Thank you for all the help.

I get most of my stuff from MidSouth Shooters Supply. Sometimes you can find deals form Powder Valley and Natchez too. I think the actual term is "smooth sizing" the 45 cal bullets. I got a sizer from Hankins Precision Gun Parts. It screws into your reloading press and then you push a bullet through it and it will size to your bore (since ever barrel is slightly different). Most .452 size bullets you will not be able to push down your barrel with a ramrod. The smooth sizer squishes it down just enough that it still fits very tight but allows you to push it down with your rod.

 

[philsanchez76]

Awesome! So where do u order your powder from and what do you mean bore size the 45. Thank you for all the help.

Here's the sizer.

https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/p/smooth-bullet-sizing-die-complete-kit

 

[M T Pockets 000]

I use a CVA 45/70 Hunter conversion. I load N110 powder,wool wad and a Parker Extreme .275grain /.451. or a Hornady XTP 200 grain/ .451. Both bullets are accurate and being .451 load easily into my smokeless.

 

[Bobyote]

What length barrel do they have? I'm just trying to make sure I get the right gun for the conversion. Thanks again for all the help fellas, I'm still not completely understanding the powder as I've always used pellets lol, but hopefully I'll get it!

 

[Bobyote]

I use a CVA 45/70 Hunter conversion. I load N110 powder,wool wad and a Parker Extreme .275grain /.451. or a Hornady XTP 200 grain/ .451. Both bullets are accurate and being .451 load easily into my smokeless.

Do you have a muzzle brake?

 

[cecil30-30]

What length barrel do they have? I'm just trying to make sure I get the right gun for the conversion. Thanks again for all the help fellas, I'm still not completely understanding the powder as I've always used pellets lol, but hopefully I'll get it!

If you want to keep it simple, most of the conversion guns will shoot a 40 cal 200gr sst or 195gr barnes in a light blue harvester sabot.

 

[philsanchez76]

What length barrel do they have? I'm just trying to make sure I get the right gun for the conversion. Thanks again for all the help fellas, I'm still not completely understanding the powder as I've always used pellets lol, but hopefully I'll get it!

My scout is 25 inch barrel and does have a muzzle brake. It's recommended if shooting with sabots you remove the brake. As far as powder goes, we are just using modern smokeless powder that you'd otherwise be using to reload full cartridges (brass, powder, primer and bullet). Modern smokeless powder is much more powerful than 777 pellets or Blackhorn 209. Thats why we are able to get much better ballistics. But great caution should be exercised. Do your research on loads etc. Do you have any experience with reloading? You will need it to weigh out powder charges etc.

 

[RockMcL]

I have been trying to avoid falling for this smokeless ML thing but beginning to feel it coming on.

If I can get an Encode 45-70 barrel Hanks Precision or others will thread the rear for their thread in adapter. And this is fairly reasonably priced from what I am hearing.

Any other shops besides the link above that do this? Did not see a phone number or email on the link.

 

[Bobyote]

My scout is 25 inch barrel and does have a muzzle brake. It's recommended if shooting with sabots you remove the brake. As far as powder goes, we are just using modern smokeless powder that you'd otherwise be using to reload full cartridges (brass, powder, primer and bullet). Modern smokeless powder is much more powerful than 777 pellets or Blackhorn 209. Thats why we are able to get much better ballistics. But great caution should be exercised. Do your research on loads etc. Do you have any experience with reloading? You will need it to weigh out powder charges etc.

I have never reloaded, what will I need to weigh out the charges?