Ammo Situation/Changes Seen; What Have You Seen?

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As you all know since BHO's re-election ammo has been scarce, even more so since the mass shootings, but primarily with your .223 (5.56), 308 (7.62x51), 7.62x39 and your typical 9MM, 40S&W, and 45ACP fodder. I have seen a interesting change though...those calibers have all came back, in surprising numbers, with the exception of 9MM and 308. Most 9MM ammo is much more costly than it was and 40S&W and 45ACP is about in line where it was a year and a half ago. But have you all seen the prices of the typical hunting calibers and revolver rounds? Wal-Mart in Ashland City near my house has just got in some Winchester 30-30 standard Super-X, and it's 17.96 a box...whoa...it was 12.96 a box just a year or so ago. Your common 243/270/30-06, etc that used to be right at 16 per box is now 20-21 per box, 25-06, 6MM rem, 7MM-08 and your standard 7MM Rem Mag/300 Win Mag is running near 28-29 for standard ammo and oddball stuff like 260Rem, 7x57, 6.5x55 is 30+ per box. Brush cartridges like 444 marlin, 48.96 per 20 for Remington Core Lokt, 45/70 was 36.96, 35 Remington that used to be barely over 20 per box is now 30 per box; Winchester White Box 44 Mag that used to be 31.96 for 50 is now 44.96 and at Bass-Pro was 51.99 the other day.

All of that brings me to these questions...We all know that DHS did huge ammo buys sucking up those common pistol and rifle calibers above, although they say it's not any more ammo than normal, they just did it all in one big order, most people see it as their way of drying up the market; on the flip side, gun manufacturers make a lot more money from black rifles, high end defense handguns, than from common deer rifles or .22's and being that most gun companies own the ammo manufacturers also, do you think they are purposely limiting the calibers of ammo to drive the sales of black rifles and such?

Joe Biden and his "use a shotgun" speech has a lot of traffic because its Biden and his typical common clumsy speak, but you know what, you can find shotgun shells and slugs by the barrel loads and there has been no price increase on them. Conspiracy maybe?

The other question is have you seen an increase in our woods of using Modern Sporting Rifles (AR's) for hunting deer, along with the increase of using .223 for deer? There are several deer specific loads for that caliber now, and for the .22-250.

There is something going on and I wish our hunting and shooting magazines whom we pay subscription money to would actually pin the company exec's down and get straight answers, as I can't see any justification of your standard Federal/Remington/Winchester 243/270/308/30-06 costing more than 15-17 per box. Premium ammo is much worse.

What say you all fellow TN Deer community
 
Seeing the same here and yes it is painfully overpriced.

The only thing I have bought that I feel I paid too much for has been .300 win mag shells.

Everything else I simply won't buy until the price is closer to what is right.
 
Same here Ruger, I stocked up so to speak before it got bad. Im hoping I don't have to buy again until things get back closer to normal but im not holding my breath, getting low on .308 for one!
 
I wonder if its ever going to get better. That's my point. Is this cost increase due to the govt sucking all the ammo from the market, but they didn't buy up 243/270/30-06/300 so for those calibers, especially 30-30 it doesn't make sense.

Could the manufacturers be artificially doing this to push people to certain types of firearms?

And still unanswered, has any of you seen an increase in the use of AR's for any kind of hunting, other than on TV? I'm not against it, I killed a 6 pointer with an AR two years ago, and I have no problem with it, but just curious...
 
I noticed ammo creeping up in price myself, although except for .22, I don't stop to look too often. I'm glad I reload.

One thing I believe is that the ammo manufacturers remind me of the Ferryman in "The Outlaw Josey Wales." He stated that in his line of work a fella has to whistle Dixie and sing The Battle Hymn of the Republic with equal enthusiasm. My take, we ain't gonna get the answers we want to hear cause they are in business to make money' whether from Gooberment contracts or guys like me. Just business I guess.

We ain't gonna see ammo as cheap as it was before this cluster started.
 
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I haven't seen 30-06 bullets for 15-16$ a box in over ten years. The last box of factory ammo I bought was 243 and paid 21$. Not bad considering what I've paid for ammo in the past. I've also noticed that there is plenty of 223 to go around. No 22 tho
 
The government isn't helping and the ammo manufacturers are raking us over the coals with prices because they can.
 
They overproduced .223 and other calibers in high demand and now we are experiencing saturation. I went to Dunham's this morning and they have 5.56/.223 and other calibers coming out their ears. Everything will stabilize. Hunting rounds are high now because it's peak demand. It'll come down in February or so. I bought tons of .223 this morning for $8.00 per 20 at my local shop.
 
Prices may stay high or rise. The last lead smelting plant in the US is being shut down by the EPA. The plant is located in Missouri and closes it's doors 31 Dec 2013.
 
Ammo is back on the shelves probably due to the higher prices making people think twice about buying it. At least we can find it. Reloading powder is still in short supply. I have a new revolver and can't find powder to load the ammo with. Most hunters only shoot a box every couple years so a higher price isn't a big deal to them.
 
just as an update to this, I just purchased me a single shot NEF 45-70 because I got it on a good deal at Dicks, and now I am wondering if I should have; Bass Pro for 20 rounds of 45-70 300gr Winchester Super-X, 42.99 per box. A year ago, 45-70 was easily 28-31.00 per box for the exact same ammo. The ammo manufacturer should be ashamed for charging a high enough wholesale price and Bass Pro for whatever markup that is in it to make it double for a over 100 year old brush cartridge. It can't cost that much to make that round, and it's still popular!
 
Online pricing is much better, but unless you have a lot to order that justifies shipping, you get ate up there also. I seen a web article on one of the hunting rags web sites over the weekend and they published it in "tier" pricing, with Tier I being the most available, common and least expensive, Tier II falling a bit high for what it was, yet still somewhat available, and Tier III for being hard to find, and costly for what it was, other than for your 375 H&H and above mags, your oddball Weatherby's, and brush cartridges, which can be high anyways, along with your big bore magnum revolver cartridges. Here is the Tiers as written:

Tier I:

Any Rimfire Calibers

Handgun:

25ACP
32ACP
380ACP
9x18MM Makarov
9x19MM Luger
40S&W
45ACP

38 Special
357 Magnum
45 (Long) Colt -this was a surprise, but apparently driven by the popularity of the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor's

Rifle:
204 Ruger
22 Hornet
222 Rem
223 Rem (5.56x45MM)
22-250 Rem
243 Win
270 Win
7MM Rem Mag
30M1 Carbine
30-30 Win
308 Win (7.62x51MM)
30-06 Sprg
300 Win Mag
7.62x39MM
7.62x54R

Shotgun:
.410 Bore
20GA
12GA

Tier II:

Handgun:
7.62x25 Torkarev (sp?)
32 S&W (Short and Long)
32 H&R Mag
327 Fed Mag
38 Super
357 Sig
10MM
41 Rem Mag (apparently this is only ran towards deer season now)
44 Special
44 Mag
45 GAP (Glock Auto Pistol)
454 Casull
480 Ruger

Rifle:
6MM Rem
25-06
7x57 Mauser
7MM-08
Any of the Winchester WSM's or WSSM's
257, 270, 7MM and 300 Weatherby's (these are the cheapest of all Weatherby Mag's)
303 British
35 Remington
358 Winchester
35 Whelen
8x57 Mauser

Shotgun:
28GA
16GA

Tier III: Anything not listed above

interesting results I say; a lot of Tier II's used to be much cheaper, same for Tier I's
 
one other thing to ponder that may help pricing...I read an article by Jim Carmichael maybe a year ago and he along with other gun writers that he interviewed, and this of course during the ammo rush start all agreed that available calibers need to be thinned and a lot of them gotten rid of by the big four (Federal, Hornady, Remington and Winchester)because people don't shoot them and they are either specialty/oddball/obsolete calibers that don't have much of a following and let either some specialty ammo company load them or people reload them on their own and that would free up production, raw material and time for the most popular calibers; I tend to agree...you all?
 

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