2nd shot wont seat as far???

[jard]

I shoot an omega with 100 grains of 777 (2 pellets) and tc shockwaves in the superglide sabots. The gun is accurate and I can cover 3 shot groups with a quarter at 75 yards. The problems is that the second shot will not seat as far as the first. By almost about an inch. Is this a big deal? I can clean it and it seats perfect again. Doesnt affect accuracy much on the followup shots.

I did kill a doe with it this morning.

 

[WestTn Huntin man]

You can very easily have a gun barrel explode if a bullet is not seated properly.

 

[WestTn Huntin man]

can't imagine a 1" gap not affecting accuracy.Plastic sabot's do tend to build up plastic residue quickly.Shock Waves have several different sized sabots for different barrels some 50 cal are a little undersized some are right on. My Remington like the Yellow jackets much better than the black ones,


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[southernhunter]

Had the same issue with a encore

 

[MUP]

Are you swabbing between each shot? A crud ring forms at about that distance from the back of the bore usually, depending on the size load I imagine, but will prevent full seating of the bullet wo excess force being applied than normal clean barrel loading. In reality the bullet is then actually NOT seated, and can cause dangerous pressure issues.

 

[Wobblyshot1]

^^^^^^^^^
Yes...the famous Trple7 crud ring.

 

[catsbackr]

Get rid of the 777 and get some BH209! Problem solved.

 

[TN hunter]

Get rid of the 777 and get some BH209! Problem solved.

X2

 

[iowavf]

I tried shockwaves in my encore and with the sabot they come with I had a heck of the time getting one loaded in a clean barrel. I use a different sabot with the barnes bullet I shoot now. Like said earlier, probably the crud ring that 777 leaves.

 

[GMB54]

The SuperGlide sabot is one of the smallest if not the smallest OD sabot made. I doubt you will find one that is easier loading.

Yep, that is the famous Triple7 crud ring just above the powder line. Use some patches with a homemade solution of 50/50 windex and (91% preferably) rubbing alcohol. The patches only need to be lightly damp.

Break though the crud ring in short strokes to avoid getting your jag stuck. Then run a dry patch (both sides)

This should alleviate the loading problem.

 

[UTGrad]

Ditch the 777 and get BH209

In the interim swab your bore between shots with 777.

 

[mike243]

777 cleans up with water no windex and alcohol needed, push a wet patch to the area and let it set a minute or 2 and it will normally clean rite up

 

[jard]

After I clean, it seats fine. Am i supposed to take all this in the field with me and clean after a shot?

 

[mike243]

no but force the load down, no need to take a chance getting hurt or ruining a rife,pyrodex dosent leave as bad a ring,the bh209 has stopped any issue with seating bullets. it high $ but worth the safety factor in cases like yours

 

[southernhunter]

After I clean, it seats fine. Am i supposed to take all this in the field with me and clean after a shot?

sounds like the encore it loads fine till about the last 3 inches of barrel and has me wondering. I cleaned it with max effort then took it back to finish sighting it in in three shots it was right back like it was when I first started. I had to take a hammer to the ram rod to seat the last sabot. Once home I pulled it apart and cleaned it really good once more. it loaded fine but I am sure 3 shots and it will be like it was. I am using triple 7 pellets maybe that's the problem with mine. I did notice mine had some putting in the barrel I guess the pervious owner wasn't the type to clean. I am wondering if this may also be causing the issue.

 

[FrontierGander]

welcome to the crud ring.

Check this video out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fTDFlz ... 6raxImR_sg

 

[GMB54]

777 cleans up with water no windex and alcohol needed, push a wet patch to the area and let it set a minute or 2 and it will normally clean rite up

The Windex and alcohol solution is mainly for swabbing between shots. It wont freeze in cold weather like plain water will. It also dries/evaporates faster than water. Making the patches ahead of time is simple and cheap for field work. Just keep them in a sealed container until needed.

I thought it was rather obvious so i hope this cleared it up for you. :grin:

 

[Hardwoodmaterials]

I dont know why everyone keeps saying BH209 is high. I get a bottle for $32 and get over 60 shots a jug. Triple 7 pellets are $39 for 50 shots at 100gr.

 

[Trapper John]

I had similar issues in my old CVA with pellets. Switching to loose powder stopped it.

Of course I also went to a T/C Black Diamond, too. Not sure which was the problem.

 

[GMB54]

Triple7 loose is about $24/lb in my area. Pellets run about $30 for 50 shots. WhiteHots cost even more and give less fps than T7 pellets according to the actual chrono readings ive seen.

Yep pellets are high and a waste of money IMO.

BH209 is great in comparison but going with a non smokers is far better still. Cheaper, faster. truly non corrosive and cleaner.

 

[ROVERBOY]

Triple7 loose is about $24/lb in my area. Pellets run about $30 for 50 shots. WhiteHots cost even more and give less fps than T7 pellets according to the actual chrono readings ive seen.

Yep pellets are high and a waste of money IMO.

BH209 is great in comparison but going with a non smokers is far better still. Cheaper, faster. truly non corrosive and cleaner.

I use loose Triple 7 and have never used the pellets. Sometimes I do get a load that is hard to seat after firing a few loads. I still like T7 though. I may just go all out someday and get a smokeless.

 

[MUP]

After I clean, it seats fine. Am i supposed to take all this in the field with me and clean after a shot?

Knight rifles used to recommend swabbing between shots in the field with a wet patch, and even recommended a "spit" patch if nothing else. I took this advice when using pyrodex and carry spare patches, and if the need arises for a 2nd shot, which indeed it has, I will chew on a patch and use it to swab the barrel before reloading.

 

[GMB54]

Im not really bashing Triple7, it works fine as long as you can live with one issue. Use a cap ignition and the issue is very minor. Multiple shots are not usually a problem when using caps. The crud ring is much less.

Personally i prefer Swiss because i can get it locally for about the same price as Triple7. The fouling is soft and standard deviation is super low. It does require a more thorough cleaning procedure.

 

[Mike Belt]

Run a spit patch followed by a dry patch between shots and load away.

 

[SKFOOTER]

Get rid of the 777 and get some BH209! Problem solved.

X2. And try the Barnes T-EZ saboted bullets.

 

[rocket04]

My omega has same issue with pyrodex pellets never had an issue with 777 but its been a few years since i shot them. The pyrodex was free so i couldnt argue that price. I have my ram rod marked and generally its a half inch away and i have to use a little extra force to seat it properly but swabbing is a good idea when you can for sure.

 

[iowavf]

The main advantage I switched to blackhorn when it hit the market was my 1st shot from a clean barrel is the same as my 10th shot. I had my encore sighted in with a dirty barrel when using 777 or pyrodex so my next couple shots would be the same without the need to run patches between shots. With pyrodex or 777 with a clean barrel the 1st shot was always high and to the right, next shot without swabbing was dead on. I could shoot 4 to 5 more times before the accuracy fell off and it became really hard to seat the bullet.

 

[Wobblyshot1]

This is from a recent post I made attributed to Mad Monk:

"With the Triple Seven the powder has a higher combustion temperature compared to Pyrodex. If you use too large of a charge you may see the formation of a glass-like deposit in front of where the projectile sat on the charge. This may happen if the gas temperatures behind the projectile go above 1600 degrees. That is where the potassium carbonate in the combustion residue melts to a liquid and then cools to a glass-like film that does not readily dissolve in a wet cleaning patch. When that point is reached it is wise to reduce the charge a bit until the "skin" is no longer a problem when you go to load another charge and projectile."

 

[GMB54]

I thought when Potassium Perchlorate gives up its oxygen, it becomes Potassium Chloride not carbonate.

Potassium Nitrate. When it gives up its nitrate, it becomes mostly Potassium Carbonate.

Triple and Pyrodex both contain Potassium Perchlorate and Potassium Nitrate in equal amounts.

https://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/MSDS%20File ... t-2013.pdf

https://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/MSDS%20File ... t-2013.pdf

Charcoal 10%
Sodium Benzoate 10%
Potassium Nitrate 30%
Potassium Perchlorate 30%
Dicyaniamide 10%
Dextrin 10%