Question about delaying season opener

Joe2Kool

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Other than reducing hunting days, I'm not sure how delaying the season opener is supposed to improve the turkey population. From what I've read, it supposedly "allows all the hens to be bred." But, if the season opener was 2 weeks earlier like it's always been, and the biggest, baddest gobbler on the farm is killed opening day, then the next biggest, baddest will do the breeding.

Can someone help me understand the logic behind delaying the season opener? (Uh oh, I just opened up a can of worms... 😆 😆)
 

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There's been a few threads over the past couple years on here discussing this. Turkeys don't always just go to the next Tom just like snap like one might think. Giving the hens two weeks at the beginning of the season will allow more hens to be successfully bred just by the shear fact they aren't being bumped day after day, not to mention the killing of the toms.
I lean very heavily that decoy use/success is a major factor in the decline of the turkey population is so many areas. Im willing to be wrong about that and be laughed at for it. I know that they do not work every time, but they are vastly more successful on field birds than not using a decoy. Vastly more successful. These birds used to stay alive for weeks and oftentimes the whole season. They could be killed, but it took bushwhacking them from long distance or luck, waiting the whole morning for them to leave the field, or getting them before they got to the field. The only two times I've used a gobbler decoy, we killed 4 toms. It was indeed a show they put on, but I was left dumbfounded at how easy it was after spending so many years chasing field birds without much success. We could have kept the season date the same if decoys were not allowed.

The massive decline was not caused by nest raiders or hawks or coyotes. These have been around in pretty much the same numbers for all of turkey restoration. Disease is a possibility. Poor nesting and brooding weather are possible. Nor do I buy into habitat loss, as turkeys are so incredibly adaptable to so many environments…just look how many are thriving in the burbs.

Infertile eggs are bad juju for growing the next generation.
 

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Several have already addressed the primary theory behind it. Giving the dominant birds another two weeks to do their thing in Theory should allow more hens to be bred.

@poorhunter echoes my opinions as well. If decoys had never become such a staple then this may have not been needed, and if they hopefully get outlawed at some point maybe seasons can return to "normal"

One other thing we didn't lose hunting days, they just shifted the season back. Haven't you always wanted to turkey Hunt for Memorial Day lol
 

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It will be really interesting seeing how planting summer plots mid May will influence turkey behavior late May... if I still have a tag, I'm actually looking forward to hunting late May in TN, as I won't be heading west or far north this year.
 

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Some for the change and some against,I will hunt no matter.Gobblers are still hollering at the end of May!Cant please everyone no matter!I bow hunt deer,I can take the heat then and I can take it in turkey season,good hunting!
 

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The logic behind the pecking order makes sense to me. And shifting the season back a few weeks doesn't bother me if it helps with the population and it's better for hunting.
 

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I'm very curious as to how this spring will be different than past springs on my places. It seems to me that most all of the gobblers on my places are henned up pretty bad opening day they roost on me and go to the neighbors bait as fast as possible then I hear a shot or two. The gobblers left get less and less henned up as the season goes on. Usually around the middle of April the hunting improves greatly anyway so this new opening date was my usual turkey time anyway.
This is my observation and probably mine alone but the elephant in the room is that decoy usage, reaping etc. falls way way short of baiting and shooting at turkeys at 60+ yards and losing them because people say that's what our guns are supposed to do. Curious and hopeful it is a good and worthy move by the state.
 

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I'm very curious as to how this spring will be different than past springs on my places. It seems to me that most all of the gobblers on my places are henned up pretty bad opening day they roost on me and go to the neighbors bait as fast as possible then I hear a shot or two. The gobblers left get less and less henned up as the season goes on. Usually around the middle of April the hunting improves greatly anyway so this new opening date was my usual turkey time anyway.
This is my observation and probably mine alone but the elephant in the room is that decoy usage, reaping etc. falls way way short of baiting and shooting at turkeys at 60+ yards and losing them because people say that's what our guns are supposed to do. Curious and hopeful it is a good and worthy move by the state.
SO...

delayed season opening is gonna be THE single biggest detriment to the baiters.

Due to normal turkey behavior and social dynamics, baiting can absolutely manipulate where turkeys want to be just before their normal landscape distribution immediately prior to breeding. Baiters can pull almost every turkey within 1 to 2 miles to a certain spot in March, BUT once average mating starts April 10th or so, hens will absolutely leave baited properties in favor of the most ideal brood rearing habitats (and bait by itself does not make for ideal brood rearing, as poults do not eat bait). Once the hens leave the baited sites, the toms follow. By delaying season opening, baiters may only have 1 or 2 toms left to poach, instead of 6 or 7. And those not baiting who provide better nesting habitat will reap the rewards ( as they should).

Towards the end of May as the toms group back up, they become more vulnerable to bait, but not to the extent as they are during Feb/Mar as there is much more natural food available on thr landscape (new plant Greenup, and many more insects).

In short, the 2 week delay is gonna make a lot of baiters unhappy.
 

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Both big bad gobblers were getting killed
Actually, I have seen this happen over and over, and over again. And I think it's actually the reason why turkeys are no longer somewhat evenly distributed across the landscape, and are mostly in isolated pockets with decent population... while the next decent pocket may be 3 or 4 miles away.

Kill the toms in one of those pockets before breeding has occurred 2 years in a row, and guess what... that flock dies out.

Turkeys don't distribute long distances throughout the landscape to fill in voids like deer.
 

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Have never been baited on our place in 20 years, nobody has ever used a "fan", maybe 10-12 instances of decoys used ( didn't work for us). Never experienced the decline that a lot of TN did & we were in the study area. Gobblers do not stay on us in winter. We only kill 10-15 birds a year off 3500 acres the past 20 years. In other words, we've managed our birds as we do our deer, and experienced no decline. Heard 4 diff gobblers yesterday morning from camp yard 😉
 
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Just my 2 cents…. I am in favor of reduced bag limits and a later start date. TN has been very liberal on harvest for going on 20 years and I am no saint, I have enjoyed it. But, if you want to get serious then why not shorten the season? We will be hunting turkeys damn near till June. Why not open the 15th and close the 7th like KY? May28th is a joke.
 

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