Filled 2nd buck tag, Buck questions, wind

Henry

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Happy and sad to fill my last buck tag this afternoon. It took a little work to get him out of the ravine, but I was able to go up the hill a little and bring the 4 wheeler down to it. Definitely need to get a sled so my wife doesn't need to come and help because it was a struggle this time getting him up on the 4 wheeler even with her help. We had to push it up, she held it and I tied it off, then went back and pushed it up more, finally got it all the way on.

An observation tonight:
I got to the blind around 3:20 and a button buck came out of the woods around 3:40pm and was munching for around 15 minutes and his head popped up a few times looking south into the wind. I've always understood that deer walk into the wind to test it, but he came in from the east and I was in the blind north of him on the north side of the field with the wind coming from the south. Now, to complicate what I thought I was told, the 8 point I took, 130 yards, came from the south walking in WITH the wind.

When I came out of the blind around 4pm to find the 8 point, another buck from south south west of the field snorted at me. Surprisingly, this big dude decided to walk out and across the field within 100 yards of us when we came out of the woods after loading up the 8 point to pick up the heavy coat I left. He was huge, but it was dusk enough to not be able to see the rack. Also coming from where he was was a young doe, but she crossed west to east across the trail to the house. Traffic jam in the field up there this evening!

Last Thursday evening just as the storm was moving in, I saw a doe and triplets and two turkey in the same field. No doe in the field this evening until we were leaving. Two mature doe out front of the house when I was coming up the lane on the way back from the butcher.

So, the questions:
If two bucks come out of the woods from different side and at different times and NOT with the wind, are they having a buck convention, suggesting, if there's plenty of light, I should hold tight and wait for another larger buck to join them? Especially if they're not going anywhere, just munching. It was around 3:55pm and sunny when the 8 point came out so there was plenty of time to be patient.

Any thoughts on why none of them paid attention to the wind? Even the huge buck at dusk was walking across the field with the wind.

When is the second rut in NW TN? Are they getting back into bachelor groups at this point? We've been here 14 months and this is the first hunting I've done here so there's a lot to learn.

I think I found our first scrape today and we found where they are traveling heavily in a shallow ravine up into the field. The path is about 18" wide and mud packed, no leaves in it. Very cool to find this. The turkey came out of this area on the east side of the field.

Pictures:
This dude was heavY!

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He got his rack on the ground side wrapped around a sapling:
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Button buck was the first deer to come out 3:40, came out of the woods to the east where the buck ran after being hit. This stand is on the south side of the field:
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Congrats on a stud!

In my experience bucks always approach their beds with wind in their face, then lay with wind at their back. The only other time I really see them noticeably letting wind dictate their travel is when they're cruising for does, and they'll swing downwind of bedding and food. Otherwise they go where they want regardless of wind.
 

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Congrats on a stud!

In my experience bucks always approach their beds with wind in their face, then lay with wind at their back. The only other time I really see them noticeably letting wind dictate their travel is when they're cruising for does, and they'll swing downwind of bedding and food. Otherwise they go where they want regardless of wind.
This. You will probably get a lot of different feed back on this in all kinds of directions. I have seen and I have killed deer walking all kinds of ways except I have never ever killed or seen a mature buck down wind of me. As far as the 2nd rut in years past around December 20th for us. In my experience 2nd rut is very hit and miss and is here and gone in a very short amount of time 2 to 4 days. I'm in Southern middle tn. This time of year they will group back up not uncommon. You mentioned being patient, that is up to you and your standards. If you want to shoot bigger deer and manage than patience is everything. If you are happy doing what you're doing keep doing that. Just all depends on what makes you happy. Some people say deer only walk into the wind I will highly dispute that as I have several on the wall that says otherwise. Imo big deer except when they are rutting, they tend to go from point a to point b in a sufficient manner most don't walk random in daylight. Including pre rut. Even in the rut though bigger deer with does seem to "control" the does better and not just run all over. But if you ever see them bed or see deer bed in general a lot of times they are looking up wind as ski said with the wind blowing in their back.
 

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Congratulations to you my friend! Sounds like an awesome hunt especially in late season. You are learning fast and asking great questions. I would offer that you probably have at least one unbred doe or doe fawn in estrus. Bucks more focused on competing with each other for the doe than the wind.
 

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Bucks will quarter the wind when they are looking for does because it's more efficient. If they face directly into the wind to travel their scent window is very narrow. Also they could only travel in one direction. They use the wind to their advantage as they travel but it doesn't dictate where they travel. If you wanted to go somewhere, you would use your vision to get there in the most efficient way that you could see. Same with deer except they use their nose more than their vision. I'm sure it's more complex than I'm describing but this is how I think about it. Read the book animals in translation by Temple Grandin. It will help you understand how animals see the world.
 

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Congrats on a stud!

In my experience bucks always approach their beds with wind in their face, then lay with wind at their back. The only other time I really see them noticeably letting wind dictate their travel is when they're cruising for does, and they'll swing downwind of bedding and food. Otherwise they go where they want regardless of wind.
Thanks for that info, Ski. A couple more years learning and I might have a deer degree.
 

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This. You will probably get a lot of different feed back on this in all kinds of directions. I have seen and I have killed deer walking all kinds of ways except I have never ever killed or seen a mature buck down wind of me. As far as the 2nd rut in years past around December 20th for us. In my experience 2nd rut is very hit and miss and is here and gone in a very short amount of time 2 to 4 days. I'm in Southern middle tn. This time of year they will group back up not uncommon. You mentioned being patient, that is up to you and your standards. If you want to shoot bigger deer and manage than patience is everything. If you are happy doing what you're doing keep doing that. Just all depends on what makes you happy. Some people say deer only walk into the wind I will highly dispute that as I have several on the wall that says otherwise. Imo big deer except when they are rutting, they tend to go from point a to point b in a sufficient manner most don't walk random in daylight. Including pre rut. Even in the rut though bigger deer with does seem to "control" the does better and not just run all over. But if you ever see them bed or see deer bed in general a lot of times they are looking up wind as ski said with the wind blowing in their back.
Yes, I told my wife I want to be more patient. With at least 30 minutes of legal light left I should have just sat and watched and given things a chance to develop further. We want big bucks to develop. It's strange because my buck hunting seems to mimic my day trading. I have to wait a little longer to get the better entry price. And wait a little longer before closing the trade to get more out of the trade. I will develop more patience and try to manage for larger deer.
 

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Congratulations to you my friend! Sounds like an awesome hunt especially in late season. You are learning fast and asking great questions. I would offer that you probably have at least one unbred doe or doe fawn in estrus. Bucks more focused on competing with each other for the doe than the wind.
Thanks, Trout. Yes, it seems we have a lot of younger doe that might not have been ready during first rut. The young doe we saw go across in front of the 4wheeler when we were headed back go the house came from the same section of woods the large buck came from...saw the young one a minute after seeing the larger buck...right at dusk/too late to see well enough to shoot.
 

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Bucks will quarter the wind when they are looking for does because it's more efficient. If they face directly into the wind to travel their scent window is very narrow. Also they could only travel in one direction. They use the wind to their advantage as they travel but it doesn't dictate where they travel. If you wanted to go somewhere, you would use your vision to get there in the most efficient way that you could see. Same with deer except they use their nose more than their vision. I'm sure it's more complex than I'm describing but this is how I think about it. Read the book animals in translation by Temple Grandin. It will help you understand how animals see the world.
Okay, quartering is new to me, but makes sense because the 8 point I hit came from the south south east while the larger buck we saw when we were leaving was in the south south west. The route we take in and out of the field is due south and the wind was coming from due south. This blind is due north. Cool stuff!!!!!!!
 

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Congrats!! Your on a roll buddy!!
Thanks! Any idea when you're going to be up and around and back to 100%?
If we weren't in opposite corners of the state I'd come and get you and drive you up to this blind so you could get a deer this season.
 
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First, congrats on your buck! Cool story about the second buck showing up.

Regarding getting your buck loaded on your 4-wheeler…. Do you have a winch on your 4-wheeler? If yes, then you can easily load deer all by yourself. All you need is a ratchet strap and a snatch block. I usually hunt by myself, which means I'm on my own for loading deer. Here's what I do - drive my 4-wheeler up to a tree, pull 20' of winch rope out and run that thru the snatch block. Then stand up in the front basket, and ratchet strap the snatch block as high as I can safely reach up the tree. Then back the 4-wheeler off the tree about a foot. Attach the winch rope to the deer however you need to. At this point you're ready to lift the deer into the front rack of your 4-wheeler. And the great part is that your winch/4-wheeler does all the heavy lifting. Below is a pic of a buck I killed earlier this year where I did the steps above to load him on my 4-wheeler. Works like a charm every time.
 

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Henry

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First, congrats on your buck! Cool story about the second buck showing up.

Regarding getting your buck loaded on your 4-wheeler…. Do you have a winch on your 4-wheeler? If yes, then you can easily load deer all by yourself. All you need is a ratchet strap and a snatch block. I usually hunt by myself, which means I'm on my own for loading deer. Here's what I do - drive my 4-wheeler up to a tree, pull 20' of winch rope out and run that thru the snatch block. Then stand up in the front basket, and ratchet strap the snatch block as high as I can safely reach up the tree. Then back the 4-wheeler off the tree about a foot. Attach the winch rope to the deer however you need to. At this point you're ready to lift the deer into the front rack of your 4-wheeler. And the great part is that your winch/4-wheeler does all the heavy lifting. Below is a pic of a buck I killed earlier this year where I did the steps above to load him on my 4-wheeler. Works like a charm every time.
No winch, but this is a cool way of doing it. Maybe I'll ask for a winch for Christmas in October 2023.
 

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This. You will probably get a lot of different feed back on this in all kinds of directions. I have seen and I have killed deer walking all kinds of ways except I have never ever killed or seen a mature buck down wind of me. As far as the 2nd rut in years past around December 20th for us. In my experience 2nd rut is very hit and miss and is here and gone in a very short amount of time 2 to 4 days. I'm in Southern middle tn. This time of year they will group back up not uncommon. You mentioned being patient, that is up to you and your standards. If you want to shoot bigger deer and manage than patience is everything. If you are happy doing what you're doing keep doing that. Just all depends on what makes you happy. Some people say deer only walk into the wind I will highly dispute that as I have several on the wall that says otherwise. Imo big deer except when they are rutting, they tend to go from point a to point b in a sufficient manner most don't walk random in daylight. Including pre rut. Even in the rut though bigger deer with does seem to "control" the does better and not just run all over. But if you ever see them bed or see deer bed in general a lot of times they are looking up wind as ski said with the wind blowing in their back.
They have the wind at their back because they trust their nose to warn them of a rear approaching danger and trust their eyes looking forward.
 

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