Could both be true?

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I think in OP you said mule kicked. I would think high chest. If nothing "spraying" at entrance or exit, he could have went a long way before dumping much blood.

Low/brisket hits I would have expected noticeable hair at the original impact location.

Do you know where rifle is hitting under 50 yds, especially supported as you shot? I have made that mistake before not accounting for actual bullet path in close and extra muzzle rise with just a light touch stabilizing rest on a limb.

I feel ya on not taking the second shot. Especially in brush I am hesitant on wasting meat and hate a shot where I might be reading the body angle wrong.

Sorry for you, hope you see him running around again or at least get settled on what you feel happened.
My rifle is dead on at 100, so very little lower at 50 yds. I looked for any obstructions which might have deflected the bullet. I didn't notice anything like a split tree limb. I also checked my zero back at the truck. With one bullet in the deer, even an obstructed shot is acceptable on follow up shots. I was hoping for at least a piece of fur to shoot but none was offered. Thanks for your excellent observations.
 

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Would love to see pics of the lungs if you took any!

I got pics of the buck alive showing both holes, pic of the embedded arrow, and pic of the antler tip. But I didn't clean my hands up to take s pic of the lungs. I should have. In hind sight I should have splayed the vitals out and took multiple pics documenting all of it. At the time I wasn't thinking I'd be seeing everything I did.

Here you can see the entry wound. The hole had closed but wasn't healed yet.

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And here you can see the exit wound.Hole still large enough that I could put my thumb up into it. How the broadhead missed his heart is a mystery to me.

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This was lodged in his left front shoulder.

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And this was lodged in his skull plate.

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ive had a few bad experiences with high speed cup and core bullets at close distances poking a super tiny entrance hole (like you'd expect) and then blowing up inside the deer with no exit which = no blood trail. This only happens when a deer surprises me at 40-50 yards or closer. All my cup and core bullets do a fantastic job at expanding as long as they go 60 or more yards and leave great exit holes. Could this be a possibility for you? This still means the deer is dead, just no trail to follow though. I really hope you find him.
 

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Absolutely amazing!!! At least you got those pics of him surviving! Thanks for sharing!!

Yeah man I've never seen anything like it. Never thought for a minute it could even be possible had I not seen it first hand. There's no way the arrow missed his heart by more than a fraction. Must have passed just above it. I wish I had stopped gutting him & washed my hands so I could get a pic of his lungs. The front half of both were liquified but they both were still puffy in the rear. No idea how he didn't choke to death or drown on blood.

Now having experienced that I have had to completely rethink times in the past when I thought for sure I made a good clean kill shot but never retrieved the animal. It's very much possible to make a perfect hit and the animal not die. From now on if I don't have a tag on it, I'm not assuming it's dead.
 

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Yeah man I've never seen anything like it. Never thought for a minute it could even be possible had I not seen it first hand. There's no way the arrow missed his heart by more than a fraction. Must have passed just above it. I wish I had stopped gutting him & washed my hands so I could get a pic of his lungs. The front half of both were liquified but they both were still puffy in the rear. No idea how he didn't choke to death or drown on blood.

Now having experienced that I have had to completely rethink times in the past when I thought for sure I made a good clean kill shot but never retrieved the animal. It's very much possible to make a perfect hit and the animal not die. From now on if I don't have a tag on it, I'm not assuming it's dead.
Good idea for sure, I've shot a few deer in that exact same place with a bow and they didn't go 20. I can't imagine how he survived!
 

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I have shot several deer through the heart or double lunged that had zero reaction. Just walk off or stand there and bleed out and fall over. Mostly with a bow or muzzeloader but a couple times with a rifle. I have many stories I could share. My brother shot one that was the craziest.

My brother shot a deer with a 140 gr accubond out of a 7MM MAG a few years ago. Maybe 40 yard shot. 10 ring, he hit the heart. Buck was following a doe. The buck hit the ground and kicked and laid still. Mid to upper 130's 8 pointer. He said he was excited, his best 8 pointer ever, deer dressed in the mid 180 lb range. The doe stood still a minute, walked back to the buck, sniffed of him, started walking off. The buck GOT UP and started following the doe just like he was before he shot. My brother centered his shoulder with the next shot, he hit the ground and stayed down. No way he would have lived, but I have always wondered if the buck could have walked far enough to make it tough or possibly lost him if he hadn't been able to get the second shot in him. I was there when he gutted him, first shot was through the heart. Deer can be tough.

I shot a nice buck many years ago with a percussion muzzleloader, open sights. 60 yard shot. My friend was standing right beside me. We were scouting, middle of the day, muzzleloader, and my friend looked up and saw the buck just staring at us. Buck was in full rut. His main beams would touch at the ends but one is just inside the other. Only a 110" deer, 8 ptr, my friend did not want to shoot him, I did. I shot really fast, like the moment the butt of the gun touched my shoulder. The deer never reacted, nothing, just walked off. No kick, no run, no flinch, no jump. Just walked off. It was quiet an dry and deep leaves. He got out of sight quick, we could hear him walking, my friend said if I knew you were "blanking" going to miss, I would have shot him. I am thinking I shot before I was on him, but I remembered seeing what I wanted to see through the open sights. We heard a crash. Deer walked about 80 yards. I shot him through the heart. There was zero reaction. Like I said deer can be tough.

I killed a nice buck a 7MM STW at about 60 yards many years ago. Dressed out 191 lbs. 140 gr accubond that chronograph at over 3500 fps. Kind of same as percussion shot above. I threw gun to shoulder and shot after yelling and getting him to stop. Right after I shot, he looked like a bull in a bullfight, he trotted a few steps and was looking around like he wanted to fight something. I thought there was no way I missed. I worked the bolt as fast as I could and was going to shoot him again, when he started wobbling and fell dead. Double lunged, exit hole as big as a softball.

I shot a nice buck in KY at 40 feet with a 30/30, he trotted a few steps, stopped, saw a doe, put his head down in doe chase mode and took off trotting, I shot him in the center of the shoulder with the next shot, he still kept on going for about 20 yards and died.

One deer I lost with a percussion muzzleloader, I had made a stalk, got real close and he took off. He was running full speed. I shot him at about 60 yards, he rolled like a rabbit, 2 or 3 tumbles head over butt. When finished rolling, his antlers were kind of stuck in the ground, feet sticking straight up for a few second before feet fell over sideways, nice buck for sure. Laid still, I started reloading to walk up and make sure he was dead. He got up, and for sure hobbling, got out of sight before I could get reloaded. Several friends helped me look for the rest of the day. Never saw that buck again.
 
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With shots on moving deer, I always pick my spot ahead of the deer with anticipation of the vitals passing into that spot and squeezing my shot the instant the shot that I want presents. Sometimes the deer is not exactly where I thought it would be and have to make adjustments. I made the mistake of swinging with/following a deer one time. Deer stopped, I squeezed and hit forward of my intended point of aim.

Deer do have an incredible will to live. Hope you are able to find him next time you get out. Good luck.
 

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Amazing animals. I've shot two that ran so hard straight up the mtn side that I would have sworn that I just must have missed, but one was straight thru the heart and the other nicked the heart and both lungs were mangled, yet they both ran hard, straight up, then stopped to look around for several seconds before walking just out of sight to lay down dead. My appreciation for their toughness is renewed each year it seems.
 

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ive had a few bad experiences with high speed cup and core bullets at close distances poking a super tiny entrance hole (like you'd expect) and then blowing up inside the deer with no exit which = no blood trail. This only happens when a deer surprises me at 40-50 yards or closer. All my cup and core bullets do a fantastic job at expanding as long as they go 60 or more yards and leave great exit holes. Could this be a possibility for you? This still means the deer is dead, just no trail to follow though. I really hope you find him.
That's a unique perspective. I haven't shot a whitetail at this close range before with this load. I was curious why I got no exit wound with more blood. This could be the reason.
 

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That's a unique perspective. I haven't shot a whitetail at this close range before with this load. I was curious why I got no exit wound with more blood. This could be the reason.
Some more experienced fellas who have been killing deer for 50+ years explained this to me after my second time with no exit wound. They say if they are using a high power rifle and lead bullets and a deer pops out 60 yards or closer, they will use a head or neck shot instead of the normal lung shot. Anything further will hold on the normal vitals/lung area. Because this short surprise shot opportunity happens to me a lot here in the thick woods of Tennessee, I am experimenting with some Barnes and Lehigh copper solids for next season. But from the deer ive recovered that this happened too, their insides were basically soup. I have no idea how they made it over 100 yards after the shot.
 

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My rifle is dead on at 100, so very little lower at 50 yds. I looked for any obstructions which might have deflected the bullet. I didn't notice anything like a split tree limb. I also checked my zero back at the truck. With one bullet in the deer, even an obstructed shot is acceptable on follow up shots. I was hoping for at least a piece of fur to shoot but none was offered. Thanks for your excellent observations.
Sorry to say but most times it's not the gun brother it's the operator. Hate it for it happens .
 

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Cup and core bullets don't have much issue coming apart until impact velocities are over 2900fps. If your start speed with the 150 Hornady, which is a tough c&c bullet, was 2700fps the bullet coming apart and poor penetration would not be a worry for me.
 

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ive had a few bad experiences with high speed cup and core bullets at close distances poking a super tiny entrance hole (like you'd expect) and then blowing up inside the deer with no exit which = no blood trail. This only happens when a deer surprises me at 40-50 yards or closer. All my cup and core bullets do a fantastic job at expanding as long as they go 60 or more yards and leave great exit holes. Could this be a possibility for you? This still means the deer is dead, just no trail to follow though. I really hope you find him.
That's a unique perspective. I haven't shot a whitetail at this close range before with this load. I was curious why I got no exit wound with more blood. This could be the reason
 

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A .277 150 interlock is a tough bullet. I doubt that it blew up and left no exit unless it pushed through and lodged under offside skin. Even then it would have inflicted a lot of damage all the way through, but blood trail may have been scarce.

If it was a light for caliber SST or NBT then I would have been more concerned with the lack of wound channel depth, but even then the shock is normally great enough to show more reaction than you got.

If the deer is not dead nearby then you likely did not hit where you thought that you did. You can yank your trigger in the excitement, time things imperfectly, or any number of things that could cause a miss or poor hit. I've definitely been there before, and I hate it for you
 

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A .277 150 interlock is a tough bullet. I doubt that it blew up and left no exit unless it pushed through and lodged under offside skin. Even then it would have inflicted a lot of damage all the way through, but blood trail may have been scarce.

If it was a light for caliber SST or NBT then I would have been more concerned with the lack of wound channel depth, but even then the shock is normally great enough to show more reaction than you got.

If the deer is not dead nearby then you likely did not hit where you thought that you did. You can yank your trigger in the excitement, time things imperfectly, or any number of things that could cause a miss or poor hit. I've definitely been there before, and I hate it for you
Sanchez is exactly right. I have a.270 hand loaded and have had to many with no exit hole under 50yds. I'm shooting around 2850fps 150gr Hornady. What happens is just like with a muzzleloader at close range, it's weird.

Shot a doe last year quartering away slipped between both shoulders and no exit. 40yds

Shot a spike head on base of neck no exit. 20yds

Little 8pt running hit behind shoulder hit rib going in no exit. 30yds in snow at BSF never found it.

Coyote 3 in under 5min. All under 50yds all no exit.

Nice 6pt mule kick spraying everywhere. 20yds good exit hole. But no blood for 50 yds the 20yds of it everywhere but wasn't needed I could see him

1pt(unicorn) 75,50,40,20 yds (yes 4 shots 1deer) kept running too me in a field all in4" circle open sights 3 exits 1 no exit.

These are just my experiences with this rifle. And with all this I'll still use it. I did buy 350 legend after shooting my daughters but. Remington 270 pump is my go to with open sights up to 200 I'll dump 5rds real quick
 

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