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If someone doesn't have the ability to do their part to manage the resource, then no, they shouldn't go hunting.

Surely you jest!

If one can't/won't do that then I'd rather they didn't hunt at all. What people see is a liberal bag limit and a long season and automatically think kill 'em all.

LOL, so, someone works hard, saves up and finally buys a few acres of his own. He has a few birds on his property from time to time and decides that he wants to hunt them, LEGALLY.

However, if he doesn't follow YOUR checklist, then he should NOT hunt? Yeah, say that to his face ;) !
 

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Surely you jest!



LOL, so, someone works hard, saves up and finally buys a few acres of his own. He has a few birds on his property from time to time and decides that he wants to hunt them, LEGALLY.

However, if he doesn't follow YOUR checklist, then he should NOT hunt? Yeah, say that to his face ;) !
You are totally misrepresenting what I said. If someone buys a few acres of his own and has turkeys on them, then of course he can legally kill them. If he wants to be able to have turkeys for years to come for himself and his neighbors, then he needs to restrain how many (if any) he kills. If wants to just go kill them disregarding the resource or his neighbors, then I wish he wouldn't hunt at all.
 

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You are totally misrepresenting what I said.

Not sure how, as the question was asked and you immediately responded above.

Maybe you didn't understand the question before responding?


Should they just not go turkey hunting because their property is just too small to "run & gun"?
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If someone doesn't have the ability to do their part to manage the resource, then no, they shouldn't go hunting.
 

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If someone doesn't have the ability to do their part to manage the resource, then no, they shouldn't go hunting. For instance, I don't duck hunt on any of the properties I have to hunt…there just aren't enough ducks. Same with elk in my neck of the woods. Fifty acres isn't much to be able to kill a turkey on, especially if every other landowner with 50 acres around kills turkeys too. You know it, and agree…we must be aware of the surrounding properties and the turkey populations on them not just our own to sustain good hunting. I have over 2000 acres of private lands to hunt spread out over maybe 10-15 square miles, and I try my best to pay attention to what's going on with game on all the other properties around that I don't hunt. If one can't/won't do that then I'd rather they didn't hunt at all. What people see is a liberal bag limit and a long season and automatically think kill 'em all.
If you mention reduction of bag limits, season dates, methods, etc to todays killers (killers, not hunters) your labeled as a libtard hippy commie Biden lover.

I see it as a sacrifice for the future. If my opportunity has to suffer for the whole of the resource, then so be it.
Predator management, habitat enhancement etc are all extremely beneficial but fact of the matter is we cannot control that. We can control what's set by the over seeing wildlife agency.
If killers don't want to accept that, screw em. Lets rape the resource then the day their is nothing to kill those killers will move on. Leaving the dirty work to hunters to fix the problem, we will fix it and eventually enjoy the work until killers come back on the scene.
It's factual history that is repeating itself.
 

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If you mention reduction of bag limits, season dates, methods, etc to todays killers (killers, not hunters) your labeled as a libtard hippy commie Biden lover.

I see it as a sacrifice for the future. If my opportunity has to suffer for the whole of the resource, then so be it.
Predator management, habitat enhancement etc are all extremely beneficial but fact of the matter is we cannot control that. We can control what's set by the over seeing wildlife agency.
If killers don't want to accept that, screw em. Lets rape the resource then the day their is nothing to kill those killers will move on. Leaving the dirty work to hunters to fix the problem, we will fix it and eventually enjoy the work until killers come back on the scene.
It's factual history that is repeating itself.
This is all I was trying to say. And I will say it again…if someone isn't willing to care about the resource or their neighbors, I wish they wouldn't hunt at all. If you own 10 acres and kill three turkeys AND the resource is fine and you cared about your neighbors, then fine. We don't have that luxury with turkeys anymore.
 

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The below statement was taken from "elsewhere", but it seems fitting to be placed here.


Many of us don't look down on those who cheapen the experience by using unfair tactics because we feel we are better than them, but rather feel sorry for those who are missing out on the full experience of what true turkey hunting is.

I really do feel sorry for those who measure turkey hunting by number of kills, how fast they limit out, how many FB likes they get, etc... because they are too consumed by the easy kill rather than enjoying interacting with the most valiant animal on the planet...

And this is coming from a guy who used to be all about stacking them cordwood high (limits respected). But that was when the population seemed limitless on my farms. I've since just learned to appreciate the wonder of a roost gobble, a shy hen single clucking to my calls, and especially a worthy adversarial tom whom I convince he just HAS to give me one look because of my calling.

I DONT want to kill out/ tag out. Because it means I'm not truly in the game for the rest of the season. And it's a game I just can't put down and walk away from.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - Quote From a Renowned Mississippi Turkey Hunter
 

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I agree with the Mississippian, but remain overall "neutral" on the issue of turkey decoys,
which I have found overall as much a liability as an asset, and in the big scheme of everything, may make little difference in the annual turkey harvest, and even if used, do not necessarily cause one to "miss out" on that rich experience.

Having used them extensively in years past, I have generally chosen to no longer use them, as they are just usually (for me) more a liability. The one exception is a sitting hen decoy, positioned such it cannot be seen by a gobbler UNTIL he's already been called in, already in good range. I often do this when I take a newbie, simply because it can actually "enrich" the experience, and allow much more opportunity for making a perfect head shot.

When hunting by myself, I rarely take that sitting hen decoy, as it's more about providing more time for a good head shot, and nothing about drawing in a bird. The reason I "hide" it is because too often when a Tom sees a decoy, he will totally stop coming in, then walk away, expecting that hen to come to him (which is how it normally happens in Nature). When used, I want him to be in a good spot to be shot, WHEN he first sees it.

As far as any decoy helping me kill a turkey, I believe I get much more help from today's higher quality shotshells designed for more uniform patterns, or maybe from my optical sights on my turkey guns. I really don't want to be hypocritical in condemning someone with only a small acreage to hunt, who wants to try a decoy. If he does it enough, he'll likely come to the conclusion they're overall as much liability as asset.

That said, I am very opposed to "fanning", mainly because this tactic doesn't allow as much opportunity for ethical shot placement, and is a relatively dangerous tactic. Turkey hunting is already perhaps the most dangerous hunting sport in TN. I also do not believe "fanning" consistently works like many assume, and like turkey decoys in general, it's legality or not, may have little effect on the annual turkey harvest.

If we really want to do something greatly worthwhile to help our wild turkey flourish, we are quite limited from a regulations standpoint, while the simplest & most obvious changes seem to be overlooked most, as we focus on dividing hunters instead of real solutions. We need to be careful for what we wish. Maybe in outlawing decoys, we should outlaw "heavier than lead" shotshells, specialized "turkey" chokes, and optical sights?

Also, when I'm hunting public land, I actually believe it benefits my hunting when I see other hunters using decoys, sitting in a tent, on the edge of a field. They are therefore not running around the backwoods, busting the opportunities I can now enjoy more because they're staying put, watching their decoys.

Regulatory wise, I continue to believe the simplest, most effect thing we could do here in TN would be to open our turkey season the 2nd Saturday of April (instead of the 1st), and until & unless our turkey flocks appear to be flourishing, reduce the limit back to 2 annually. Not saying there aren't other things which can be done, but this is "simple", and doesn't divide us hunters like so many other ideas.
 
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Just do away with any form of a male decoy, I never thought I would see the day people would hold things in front of their face that are legal to shoot by another hunter.Seen a crew with the gobbler on a stick walking down the main road at a piece of public so crowded we had to leave, the thing had a fan , beard and the whole 9 yards, Probably not the best of thoughts to be using . I will not demean anyone that uses them but I would like to see fans, gobblers on wheels, gobblers on sticks, scoot and shoot gobblers , umbrella gobblers, funky gobblers or any other kind of Gobbler decoy taken from the turkey woods. Again that's just me and you certainly don't have to agree, it's okay to have different opinions but please don't compare those items to shotgun shells , camo or a call! Lol
 

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The below statement was taken from "elsewhere", but it seems fitting to be placed here.


Many of us don't look down on those who cheapen the experience by using unfair tactics because we feel we are better than them, but rather feel sorry for those who are missing out on the full experience of what true turkey hunting is.

I really do feel sorry for those who measure turkey hunting by number of kills, how fast they limit out, how many FB likes they get, etc... because they are too consumed by the easy kill rather than enjoying interacting with the most valiant animal on the planet...

And this is coming from a guy who used to be all about stacking them cordwood high (limits respected). But that was when the population seemed limitless on my farms. I've since just learned to appreciate the wonder of a roost gobble, a shy hen single clucking to my calls, and especially a worthy adversarial tom whom I convince he just HAS to give me one look because of my calling.

I DONT want to kill out/ tag out. Because it means I'm not truly in the game for the rest of the season. And it's a game I just can't put down and walk away from.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - Quote From a Renowned Mississippi Turkey Hunter
Great post!! I see guys tag out in the first week and I think that has to suck!!! I did it once and said I would never do that again! Since the population has started to decline I have limited myself to 2 birds a season.
 

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Just do away with any form of a male decoy, I never thought I would see the day people would hold things in front of their face that are legal to shoot by another hunter.Seen a crew with the gobbler on a stick walking down the main road at a piece of public so crowded we had to leave, the thing had a fan , beard and the whole 9 yards, Probably not the best of thoughts to be using . I will not demean anyone that uses them but I would like to see fans, gobblers on wheels, gobblers on sticks, scoot and shoot gobblers , umbrella gobblers, funky gobblers or any other kind of Gobbler decoy taken from the turkey woods. Again that's just me and you certainly don't have to agree, it's okay to have different opinions but please don't compare those items to shotgun shells , camo or a call! Lol
This is a great post and when I say ban the decoys I should be specific that I mean make turkey decoys. Keep the hen decoys.

That seems like a perfectly fair compromise
 

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What is ethical?? I think the answer is very broad and immersed in personal opinion. Some contend it's unfair to the animal ( understood). Some say it promotes poor woodsmanship (understood) and some would say that you are merely a killer looking to fill a limit and this argument I also understand. But dont you think the same argument could be made toward those who shoot loads that can reach 70 yards? Do they lack woodsmanship to call em close? Or the deer rifle that will most likely lob a round at a 10pt standing at 250yard because the hunter ca t stalk closer? I agree with points from both sides of the debate. In conclusion I'll say, I like mayonnaise in soup beans, you dont have to so your more than welcome to put ketchup in yours.... truth is we just love beans...know what I mean?
 

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What is ethical?? I think the answer is very broad and immersed in personal opinion. Some contend it's unfair to the animal ( understood). Some say it promotes poor woodsmanship (understood) and some would say that you are merely a killer looking to fill a limit and this argument I also understand. But dont you think the same argument could be made toward those who shoot loads that can reach 70 yards? Do they lack woodsmanship to call em close? Or the deer rifle that will most likely lob a round at a 10pt standing at 250yard because the hunter ca t stalk closer? I agree with points from both sides of the debate. In conclusion I'll say, I like mayonnaise in soup beans, you dont have to so your more than welcome to put ketchup in yours.... truth is we just love beans...know what I mean?
A shotgun shell that gives you a better pattern is not unethical. The person that shoots at 70 yards is. The shell has zero to do with it! You are not required to shoot at 70 yards if you shoot TSS, I have never shot over 35 no matter what type shell I have used. A shell and a gobbler on wheels , stick or any other apparatus are not the same thing. A shell must be put in a shotgun to harvest a gobbler, the other doesn't have to be used at all. Again just my thoughts, I may be way off, wouldn't be the first time.
 

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Wait until they compare using decoys to abortions again. Some people are so full of theirselves it's sickening. No you got a guy claiming if you have don't have 50 acres to chase turkeys on you should sit at the house. Wonder if he'd buy their license too, since he wants most Tennesseans to sit at home. Y'all claim it's a dying sport, and I can see why. I grew up thinking deer hunters were the worst. The turkeys hunters have them beat 10–1
 

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I still like mayonaise in my beans. Calm down fellers, we are just discussing ideas and opinions. Here is the great news to all.... if it's legal and you want to hunt your way, I cant stop you nor you stop me...enjoy your beans any way you want to eat em...its ok. Btw. Here is my favorite turkey pic from this morning.
 

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I haven't commented on this thread because I just don't have strong feeling about decoys. I used to use them on every roost hunt until 7 or 8 years ago, sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't. Just got tired of hauling them around and spooking birds setting them up, and I find it more enjoyable hunting run and gun style with just a call and a shotgun using the terrain to my advantage for set ups.

And I'm still sitting on my last MS tag :).

Hunted every day this week down here, have 3 toms back in a bachelor group on camera crossing a plot between 10a and 12a, but they just aren't gobbling right now. If they decide to get right and play the game, I'll kill my last one this week. If not, I'll end the last week of the season checking them daily hoping for a mood change, but not disappointed I didn't fill my last tag.

Was going to go to New England mid May to extend my season, but I'm whooped. Been going hard first scouting since end of Feb, then have hunted parts or all days each day since Mar 8 except for 8 days. Just passed 150 miles hiked this week.

Getting older sucks. My belly isn't full of chasing them this spring, and I know I won't get to do it again for a year, but my body is tired. Not enough sleep the past 6 weeks, 4500 miles driven. Lots of memories made though.

I got my son a bird last weekend in TN, when I told him what number it was for the season between me, kids, and friends, he said 'you must really hate turkeys'. Maybe one day he will understand, but 99% of even those who hunt turkeys don't get it.

And I guess that's fine... it takes all kinds to make the world go around.
 

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Wait until they compare using decoys to abortions again. Some people are so full of theirselves it's sickening. No you got a guy claiming if you have don't have 50 acres to chase turkeys on you should sit at the house. Wonder if he'd buy their license too, since he wants most Tennesseans to sit at home. Y'all claim it's a dying sport, and I can see why. I grew up thinking deer hunters were the worst. The turkeys hunters have them beat 10–1
I did not in any way say that someone doesn't have 50 acres that they should sit at the house or not hunt. I did say that if they cannot take into account the turkey population on the surrounding properties to his and only take what the resource can handle, then I don't think they should even hunt. I still stand by that. That applies to someone with 500 or 5000 acres to hunt. If one can't or doesn't limit themselves to the resource then I'd rather they say at the house.
 

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Wait until they compare using decoys to abortions again. Some people are so full of theirselves it's sickening. No you got a guy claiming if you have don't have 50 acres to chase turkeys on you should sit at the house. Wonder if he'd buy their license too, since he wants most Tennesseans to sit at home. Y'all claim it's a dying sport, and I can see why. I grew up thinking deer hunters were the worst. The turkeys hunters have them beat 10–1
No one ever compared decoys to abortions. It's fine to have an honest discussion and to disagree but to come up with some garbage like that just makes everyone dumber.
 

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