Pine seedling growth

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Sometimes planting pine seedlings in the worst conditions possible makes for the best growth. My two brothers, a BIL, and myself planted 4,000 pines in some heavily cut hardwood areas last year just after half a foot of rain in early March. We were sinking above our ankles in mud. One of my brothers had the sole ripped off his boot by the mud. But those little 6-8" seedlings look great after 9 months of growth. The one pictured below is 42" tall and is already producing it's 5th set of limbs.
 

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Hopefully the deer leave them alone. Every white pine (500) I planted here and on my farm in Illinois were browsed enough to kill them. The loblolly I have here took some heavy rubbing, which killed several.
 

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Hopefully the deer leave them alone. Every white pine (500) I planted here and on my farm in Illinois were browsed enough to kill them. The loblolly I have here took some heavy rubbing, which killed several.
I'm hoping the same! I have clients in the area who have repeatedly planted 1,000+ pine seedlings only to have the deer eat the tops out of all of them after each planting. Luckily, I don't have anywhere near the deer density those landowners do. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I was mapping out the pines yesterday and did find a couple of little saplings that had already been rubbed to death.
 

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BSK, I don't want to hijack your thread here but I've been reading a lot about Dunstan Chestnut trees the past two years. Do you have any personal experience with them or know anyone in this group that does? Thanks!
 
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Dennis grows and sells them. Search for dunstan or chestnut on the site and there are plenty of threads.
Sorry but I don't know who Dennis is. Thanks for the suggestion on the threads. I found several of them and actually read every comment on each thread I found. I've pretty much convinced myself to plant about 6 five-year old Dunstan chestnut trees this fall. With the health issues I have and not knowing how much time I have left, I don't think I can waste time on 1-year old seedlings. Thanks again for your help!
 

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Sorry but I don't know who Dennis is. Thanks for the suggestion on the threads. I found several of them and actually read every comment on each thread I found. I've pretty much convinced myself to plant about 6 five-year old Dunstan chestnut trees this fall. With the health issues I have and not knowing how much time I have left, I don't think I can waste time on 1-year old seedlings. Thanks again for your help!

I'm somewhat new to the "tree planting" portion of land management...but last spring I did get started with planting my first Dunstan chestnuts...then I've started a dozen or so sawtooth from acorn and have them growing in buckets...plan to transplant them to grow tubes this fall....I have the cages around the chestnut trees.....Good luck with your project!
 
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Sorry but I don't know who Dennis is. Thanks for the suggestion on the threads. I found several of them and actually read every comment on each thread I found. I've pretty much convinced myself to plant about 6 five-year old Dunstan chestnut trees this fall. With the health issues I have and not knowing how much time I have left, I don't think I can waste time on 1-year old seedlings. Thanks again for your help!
I have not planted any, nor have any of my clients. But this site is definitely the place to ask such questions. Someone will have tried them!
 

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I'm somewhat new to the "tree planting" portion of land management...but last spring I did get started with planting my first Dunstan chestnuts...then I've started a dozen or so sawtooth from acorn and have them growing in buckets...plan to transplant them to grow tubes this fall....I have the cages around the chestnut trees.....Good luck with your project!
One of my BILs started a bunch of persimmons from seed, and we're going to plant of grove of them at the end of one of our food plots.
 

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Sometimes planting pine seedlings in the worst conditions possible makes for the best growth. My two brothers, a BIL, and myself planted 4,000 pines in some heavily cut hardwood areas last year just after half a foot of rain in early March. We were sinking above our ankles in mud. One of my brothers had the sole ripped off his boot by the mud. But those little 6-8" seedlings look great after 9 months of growth. The one pictured below is 42" tall and is already producing it's 5th set of limbs.
 

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Planted a lot of pines in eastern NC as a kid. Brings back memories.
Planting pines in steep hill country is some of the hardest work I've ever done. Each time I've done it I swear afterwards I will never do that again! Then, like women forgetting how bad pregnancy and childbirth are after a year or so and decide to have another, I'll forget how bad planting pines was and think, yea, I could plant more.
 

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We had 69,000 pine seedlings planted two years ago on 95 acres in late March of 2020. I plan to take a picture every year at the same tree to show the growth. This picture was taken 12 months after planting. You can see behind me, how thick the area is that most of these pines were planted in. I am now starting to see quite a few trees that are about head high and poking through the underbrush. I look forward to watching them grow over the years. I also enjoy seeing the abundant wildlife that young successional habitat holds. I see tons of rabbits, birds, and deer that are able to use these areas as a food source and cover.
 

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I love the idea of taking a picture every year. I've thought about that with timber cuts to show the rapid regrowth but keep forgetting to do it.
 

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Although I know a lot of hunters/managers hate their big sections of industrial pine, in a primarily hardwood habitat, small patches of pine are gold mines. The first pines I ever planted were on a steep hillside clearcut, and I didn't get them planted until the cuts had experienced a full summer of regrowth. That put the seedlings behind the 8-ball. The seedlings on the lower section of the hillside, where soil moisture is better, couldn't compete with the natural regrowth that had a year's head start and were eventually shaded out and died. But the seedlings towards the top of the hill, where soil moisture was more limited, were able to outgrow the hardwood saplings, and eventually the pines dominated. It took about 5 years of growth before the deer started to focus bedding and movement on that pine patch, but those pines have been a hot spot ever since. I honestly expected the pines to lose their drawing power after about 15-20 years, but they're now at 23 years and deer are still using them.

I'm hoping the fact I got my current pine seedlings in before any natural regrowth had started will allow them to come on strong and dominate quickly. Although I purposefully used a spacing that will allow some hardwoods to fill in between during the regrowth process. Once everything is up about 3 years of growth, I'll probably knock that hardwood competition back with herbicides.
 

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Although I know a lot of hunters/managers hate their big sections of industrial pine, in a primarily hardwood habitat, small patches of pine are gold mines. The first pines I ever planted were on a steep hillside clearcut, and I didn't get them planted until the cuts had experienced a full summer of regrowth. That put the seedlings behind the 8-ball. The seedlings on the lower section of the hillside, where soil moisture is better, couldn't compete with the natural regrowth that had a year's head start and were eventually shaded out and died. But the seedlings towards the top of the hill, where soil moisture was more limited, were able to outgrow the hardwood saplings, and eventually the pines dominated. It took about 5 years of growth before the deer started to focus bedding and movement on that pine patch, but those pines have been a hot spot ever since. I honestly expected the pines to lose their drawing power after about 15-20 years, but they're now at 23 years and deer are still using them.

I'm hoping the fact I got my current pine seedlings in before any natural regrowth had started will allow them to come on strong and dominate quickly. Although I purposefully used a spacing that will allow some hardwoods to fill in between during the regrowth process. Once everything is up about 3 years of growth, I'll probably knock that hardwood competition back with herbicides.
This is very interesting. We had our place clear cut 3 years before replanting. We had to do an aerial spraying and burn before planting and the competition was still pretty thick. I am also not a fan of big pine blocks. Luckily I was able to do them in blocks with the biggest block being 45 acres and the smallest being 7. There will definitely be a few hardwoods mixed in which I am perfectly fine with.
 

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