TN Deer Population

MickThompson

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Alot of places in East Tn just don't fit with the hunting regulations we have. One can look at cades cove or the deer that are hunted at Holston to see that.

Would you be ok with no deer season or hunting 1 weekend a year and being driven to a predetermined stand location? Because that's what those 2 you cited offer. East TN has a lot stacked against it besides habitat. Parcel size and population being 2 huge factors that manage pressure but are beyond the bounds of what a wildlife agency can regulate.

If anything, Cades Cove is a perfect example of why early successional habitat should be a part of your habitat program
 
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TN G.O.A.T Hunter

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I'm from Scott Cty, and started deer hunting in 1973. After the ehd outbreaks in '07 and '17, now when hunting, it's like being in the woods in the late 70s and early 80s. Before the '07 outbreak our county kill numbers ran in the 1200s to 1300s. Haven't checked the 2020 numbers, but in 2019 our numbers were 600 or so. It may come back, but certainly not in my lifet
What is your area? What county you hunt?
Upper Cumberland- Fentress, Morgan, Overton, Cumberland area
 

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I hunt outside of Crossville and we have seen deer numbers increase drastically in the last 10-12 years.
 

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Not sure what's going on in Hardeman and Fayette counties; maybe an artifact of CWD or 2020 just being a weird pandemic year? Lowest total harvest in the over a decade with a kill heavily skewed toward does. We've been reliably in the 50% buck/doe kill range but last year 80% of the harvest in Hardeman was does...84% does in Fayette.
I'm West Tennessee and yes the kill was concentrated on does and also mega numbers. That area that you mentioned is a "hotspot" for CWD. No quite sure but believe the hunter was granted a bonus buck if he harvested extra does.
 

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What I am seeing in the Knox, Seveir , Blount county area is loss of habitat. Subdivisions, Industrial parks, etc make a big difference in a local area, sure the deer readjust but we are losing land to population growth and WMA and other public hunting land is not increasing.
 

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I think from 75 in Athens following the highway to 81 split everything from there to NC is tough your searching for sign. If you look at South Cherokee around Tellico plains there has always been a2 buck limit that opened 2 weeks before statewide archery up until 2 years ago now its 1 buck. I've hunted hard in this area for 12 years and gave up last year, now I seen a couple massive old bucks one at 20 yards I first noticed him directly under me then he skirted around me for over an hour never would get in a clearing(foothills wma early oct) never seen that buck again. The others I worked really hard to get at had an eight and 10 point sparring hard first day of bow season the 10pt came within 5 yards but was on the move and couldn't get a shot never seen him again the 8 would pop up sometimes but always in a different spot. Now I only hunt from just past roughly Rockwood mountain west. I do like north Cumberland for gun occasionally but I'm putting miles on in there, but it's open I wonder a lot in there and sometimes come up good. I think they are free and far between in a lot of spots. Now private property would be possibly worth looking in some areas but I'm done with public land in East TN. all I hunt is public and come out with shine nice ones they are around
 

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Thoughts on the herd in TN? I know it seems like from Nashville area and on to the Western part of state deer herd is pretty good. I am hearing a lot of older hunters say eastern TN the deer is going back to when they first started hunting, population seems to be spread really thin in their areas. Thoughts.
I find that in West TN, it can vary wildly because of the 3/day antlerless rule.

I have one property that always has great deer. Another that seems to be impacted by how the neighbors hunt more than average.
 

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I don't work in far western TN. Most of my work is in the counties either side of I-40 from Nashville to KY Lake. But in that small region, deer densities vary dramatically from property to property. I've got clients that are still struggling to control the population (too many does), and I've got clients struggling to maintain a huntable population (too few does). Again, deer don't spread themselves out equally across the landscape. They exist in pockets (for whatever reason). And a "high density" pocket can be just up the road from a "low density" pocket.
 

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The largest exception to those numbers - from the data I have - would be Williamson County. You can add about 7 inches to each age for that county.
 

TheLBLman

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All bucks in photo censuses. Hunter killed bucks are higher because hunters "high-grade" the buck population.
Also, because hunters "high-grade" the buck population, particularly typically hard-hitting the 2 1/2 & 3 1/2-yr-old cohort, even the photo censuses "down-grade" the antler scores of the average buck's birth antler genetics.

We hunters tend to kill off our largest antlered buck genetics well before they can really show off their true potential at 4 1/2 & 5 1/2.

Based on birth genetics, I suspect you could likely add around 10-15 inches to the average buck's antlers at 4 1/2 & older, if none were killed at 3 1/2 or younger by human hunters.
 

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Also, because hunters "high-grade" the buck population, particularly typically hard-hitting the 2 1/2 & 3 1/2-yr-old cohort, even the photo censuses "down-grade" the antler scores of the average buck's birth antler genetics.

We hunters tend to kill off our largest antlered buck genetics well before they can really show off their true potential at 4 1/2 & 5 1/2.

Based on birth genetics, I suspect you could likely add around 10-15 inches to the average buck's antlers at 4 1/2 & older, if none were killed at 3 1/2 or younger by human hunters.
I've got a client where high-grading out the top-end 2 1/2s and 3 1/2s has been a real problem. However, for the last couple of years, I've been providing them with the best trail-camera pictures I have of all their top-end 2 1/2s and 3 1/2s that need protection. They are laminating those pictures and putting a copy in each shooting house. After 3 years, it appears to be making a difference, but I'll need a few more years of data to say that with conviction.
 

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BSK, I'm interested in how those average scores play out. For example, let's say that there are three 4.5 year old bucks. Are they all more likely to be within a few inches of scoring 120 or will one be a stud, one well below average, and one fairly close to 120? In other words, how wide a variety can we expect to see in antler size among each age class?
 

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BSK, I'm interested in how those average scores play out. For example, let's say that there are three 4.5 year old bucks. Are they all more likely to be within a few inches of scoring 120 or will one be a stud, one well below average, and one fairly close to 120? In other words, how wide a variety can we expect to see in antler size among each age class?
You are correct LenS, they are widely scattered. Every age-class of buck in a given location (beyond yearlings) will display a massively wide bell-curve distribution. In fact, on most properties, the full range for any single age exceeds 100 inches. That means there's going to be a 2 1/2 that scores 30 and a 2 1/2 that exceeds 130. The same goes for each age-class. In addition, on just about any property I've collected enough data on, I'll find that the highest scoring yearling buck is larger than the lowest scoring mature buck. This is why antler restrictions don't work well. Yes, there are averages, and 2/3 of the bucks in a given age will be within + or - "X" inches of that average, but you still have a lot of bucks of that age that are way above and way below the average. And this is critical, all ages have overlap in their bell-curve distribution. In essence, the upper end of one age is way up into the curve of the next age. This means a buck's antler score cannot be used to determine his age. You can have a yearling scoring 80, and 2 1/2, 3 1/2, 4 1/2, and 5 1/2+ year-old bucks also scoring 80.

However, there are some interesting differences once you start looking at data from big agricultural areas. First, the right hand side of the curve (the higher scores) get stretched far higher than in other areas. In essence, there's going to be those few truly monstrous bucks in each-class, but they are the exception. In addition, the left-hand side of the curve (the lower scores) are often "truncated," meaning there aren't many bucks of a given age that are extremely low scoring. I took a look at the photo census data from a trophy managed property in southern Illinois, and although the averages for mature bucks were nowhere near as high as hunters assume it would be, there were those individual bucks that were WAY up at the right-hand side (VERY high scoring). And there were very few that were exceptionally small. Basically, they didn't have any mature bucks under about 110 gross, the average was not as high as most would assume, but there WERE those couple of mature bucks that were monsters.
 

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