you think he would go P&Y?
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Mission08
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Yes, gross for sure. I would guess him at mid 130s
For sure, he's scaring the h*ll out of 140" gross. Look at his rack in the last pic next to his fully mature body. Great buck, best of luck with your pursuit of him.
best ive gotten on this farm ever. Let several walk last yr and have been on a lucky buck program for 2 yrs now. I just hope he gets scared of the dark and starts showing up in the daylight!
Mission08
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Good luck with him, colder temps may help with that.
Re: you think he would go P&Y?
Mid 130's for sure, good luck!
Mid 130's for sure, good luck!
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Real good buck
tree_ghost
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Re: you think he would go P&Y?
I'm with Andy on this one. He's P&Y easy. With the length of those g3's I'd say he's knocking on the door of 140"
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I'm with Andy on this one. He's P&Y easy. With the length of those g3's I'd say he's knocking on the door of 140"
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wobblegobble
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Mid 120's to high...you guys over shoot everything!lol
I'll bet my retirement that bucks NETS more than mid 120s. He'll gross mid 130s all day long easily.wobblegobble":2gq5d5bp said:
MB = 44"
Tines = 45"
Spread = 17"
Mass = 30"
Total = 136" gross
30's all day.
TheLBLman
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I can't say for certain, but is this buck still in velvet?
If he is, he doesn't have much mass.
He could be a small bodied deer, and I've been badly fooled a few times by mature bucks that were small bodied.
IMO, this buck likely will not gross more than 130, and should that be the case, he's unlikely to net 125 (to make P&Y).
On the other hand, perhaps he'll dress out at over 200 lbs and actually grosses 150-plus! :mrgreen:
Need more pics, especially more pics with other deer standing alongside this one.
If he is, he doesn't have much mass.
You could be correct, but I suspect you're basing your guess too much on that last pic.Andy S.":1oborf8q said:
He could be a small bodied deer, and I've been badly fooled a few times by mature bucks that were small bodied.
IMO, this buck likely will not gross more than 130, and should that be the case, he's unlikely to net 125 (to make P&Y).
On the other hand, perhaps he'll dress out at over 200 lbs and actually grosses 150-plus! :mrgreen:
Need more pics, especially more pics with other deer standing alongside this one.
landman
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Andy S.":3evuzx1t said:
Well you need to deduct the G-3
The G-1's are about 1" different
The mass on one side is less
And it looks like main beam is shorter on one side
125" net won't happen
Huh?? The G3s are almost identical.landman":12vsk877 said:
You have good eyes if you can see the mass difference on a computer screen. Let's assume you are right, the deer still does not have 10" of deductions, which means he will still NET 125 P&Y, which is the minimum for the books as a typical.landman":12vsk877 said:
I'll take that bet any day of the week. :tu:landman":12vsk877 said:
fairchaser
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Andy S.":1g70i3ic said:
I'm with you Andy. When I first looked at him I was thinking 140 class deer. He might shrink a little but a stud of a buck. Net is always a tough guess but he seems pretty balanced and would probably net out PY.
Question for OP - what type of camera did these pics come from? Was it an infrared (IR) camera?
TheLBLman
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IMO, Andy, you're overestimating the tine length (and the mass).Andy S.":1oxk9ffl said:
He could be more like . . . . . .
MB = 44"
Tines = 40"
Spread = 17"
Mass = 28"
Total = 129" gross
Possibly, but I have seen quite a few bucks over the years at Ames and on private ground with that exact frame and tine length, and they all exceeded 135" gross. In the last pic, that buck appears to be old, solid and long, thus very mature. If his body is as good as I think it is (5.5+), he will for sure scare the h*ll out of 140" gross. I feel very confident he will gross 135" all day long, regardless of his body size.TheLBLman":3tdtds05 said:
TheLBLman
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Hopefully we'll get the exact measurements soon 
One thing I'm using as a frame of reference are those eyeballs.
What do you think is their diameter?
Then, use those eyeballs to estimate the length of those brow tines.
How long do you believe is that longer brow tine?
If that longer brow tine is no more than 3 inches, then this buck's G-2's and G-3's may not be as long as they "appear".
Also, just based on the eyeball diameter and assuming this buck is in velvet, the basal circumference of those beams about an inch above the hairline appears to be less than 4 inches (generally below average mass for a mature buck).
Whether he's mature or not is almost irrelevant for no more than we have to go by, just by these limited pics. But seeing his body size relative to several other deer could be instructive. If he's small bodied, his antlers appear much larger than their reality; if he's big bodied, they appear smaller than actual size.
One thing I'm using as a frame of reference are those eyeballs.
What do you think is their diameter?
Then, use those eyeballs to estimate the length of those brow tines.
How long do you believe is that longer brow tine?
If that longer brow tine is no more than 3 inches, then this buck's G-2's and G-3's may not be as long as they "appear".
Also, just based on the eyeball diameter and assuming this buck is in velvet, the basal circumference of those beams about an inch above the hairline appears to be less than 4 inches (generally below average mass for a mature buck).
Whether he's mature or not is almost irrelevant for no more than we have to go by, just by these limited pics. But seeing his body size relative to several other deer could be instructive. If he's small bodied, his antlers appear much larger than their reality; if he's big bodied, they appear smaller than actual size.
TheLBLman
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More pics, more angles, and I may agree he'll score higher than I currently think, but have sure over-scored several based on limited summer data and bucks in velvet.
Not to say this isn't a beautiful buck, and personally, I care very little about "score".
But if it's important to the shooter that this one makes P&Y (which is 125 NET) , I wouldn't assume that, yet --- need more data.
IMO, this buck would NEED to gross score around 135 to assure a net score of that 125 minimum. Am assuming that "matters" to the opening poster based on how he framed the title -- "you think he would go P&Y"?
Not to say this isn't a beautiful buck, and personally, I care very little about "score".
But if it's important to the shooter that this one makes P&Y (which is 125 NET) , I wouldn't assume that, yet --- need more data.
IMO, this buck would NEED to gross score around 135 to assure a net score of that 125 minimum. Am assuming that "matters" to the opening poster based on how he framed the title -- "you think he would go P&Y"?
Agreed, and my gut tells me he's mature in the last pic and more than likely a bigger bodied buck (dress 160#+). He already has a heck of a neck in August compared to the skinny necks we typically see, and this really leads me to believe his rack is better than most assume. I am like you, I hope he kills him soon so he can tape him and see where he lands. :tu:TheLBLman":1yxcl7zk said:
DittoTheLBLman":2q1msl63 said:
BTW i am using Moultrie MLB blackflash cams. They have been good for 2 yrs but this yr 2 of them will only function on the timelapse mode. I dont know if the sensor went out or what but it wont take a pic on motion detect unless you are like 5 ft from it.
Very mature, 3rd pic is a no brainer.
I really dont care about "score" either. Im drawing if i see him, no questions asked, my luck he will be 124 7/8 lol! I just really enjoy seeing them on camera and then going after him. I have taken a couple of deer that wouldnt go 115 but i had them on camera and that was the deer that got me fired up i wanted to go after.
TheLBLman
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I do believe this buck is 5 1/2 or older ---- fully mature one.
That makes him a true "trophy" buck in my "book", no matter what he scores or doesn't.
Classic beautiful rack on a mature buck!
That makes him a true "trophy" buck in my "book", no matter what he scores or doesn't.
Classic beautiful rack on a mature buck!
Good to know, and here is why. Over the last five years, my buddy and I have been analyzing our "guesses" on gross scores during hard horn, and for the bucks that were killed, we were almost always underestimating their total mass measurement, and this was especially true for IR and Black Flash cam pics taken at night, which is when we get the majority of our good bucks. The take away message for us is the mass is almost always better than we estimate for a night time hard horn picture taken with an IR or BF camera, typically between Oct-Dec time frame.JDUB":1cf4htxu said:
Good luck, I really hope you get him as I can tell he has your attention.JDUB":3c2rde15 said:
