Woo Hoo All SEC Championship

[FTG-05]

it is more likely you will see bigfoot Tuesday morning than making it till first break at work without somebody telling you who won,,

Sounds like a good plot for SEC Short video!

 

[EastTNHunter]

whats funny is the CFP was made because of the 2011 lsu/bama (all sec) national championship game, and here we are :rotf: :rotf:

Well, Paul Finebaum might be walking on cloud nine today, but his employer's parent company isn't.

As I've said before, next season is the fifth of the five year CFP agreement. Let me get this out of the way first, Bama and UGA are both most deserving and also the top two teams in college football this year. I like taking an extreme stance from time to time, mostly because it's fun and I'm probably the only non-SEC fan left around here. Heck, maybe it wasn't Bama who shouldn't have gotten in, but Clemson. :rotf: Last night showed the Committee got it wrong ranking William's team #1. :smash: Still, Ohio State can't let an Iowa lay 55 on them, but had Iowa won 20-17 would it have been different? Probably not.

In any event, with two SEC teams playing for the championship and the Big Ten's bowl performance, and to a lesser extent an undefeated UCF beating Auburn who beat both Bama and UGA, next year is probably the last for the four team format. Add onto that the inconsistency of the Committee's decisions (2014 it was a "13th data point"; 2015 it was strength of schedule; 2016 the 13th data point doesn't matter if you've got quality wins on your side; 2017 the "eye test" matters not data). A four team playoff is probably better than an eight team playoff, but the current "playoff" really isn't a playoff. It's an invitational. An eight team playoff could end up being better in reality. Because the four team format requires a committee of humans to select participants (as opposed to using a rules-based system that generates auto-qualifiers and limits the human element to at-large participants and seeding), the corrosive tendencies of the human factor are always at risk at smothering out the good structural aspects of a four team format. At a certain point, the eight team format becomes less imperfect than the four team format. An eight team format also better accommodates two teams from the same conference.

I agree that the selection process is the flaw in the current system. I always thought that the BCS system could be used to select the top 4 teams, not a selection committee.

 

[BamaProud]

I think the selection committee has gotten it right every year so far.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Another tidbit worth pointing out is that Auburn is going to have to watch its 2 biggest rivals, who they beat, play for the National Championship. ...that's gotta suck.

Peachey :smash:

 

[mr.big]

Another tidbit worth pointing out is that Auburn is going to have to watch its 2 biggest rivals, who they beat, play for the National Championship. ...that's gotta suck.

Peachey :smash:

Auburn let UCF beat them so they aint got any right to complain about anything,,,UCF on the other hand might have a gripe,,

 

[Tenn Aubie]

Georgia in a close one

 

[Tenn Aubie]

Another tidbit worth pointing out is that Auburn is going to have to watch its 2 biggest rivals, who they beat, play for the National Championship. ...that's gotta suck.

Just worry about Georgia.We're over it.It is what it is :roll:

 

[Scioto]

I think the selection committee has gotten it right every year so far.

A lot of America disagrees, even some of the south. And these guys are putting their money where their mouth is. :rotf:

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/college- ... cf-knights

 

[FTG-05]

Georgia in a close one

I just watched the 40 minute version of the AL-CL game on YT. If that AL team shows up Monday, GA may be in trouble. IF.

 

[nitro_z17]

i'd love to see UCF play this schedule

09/02 GA Southern
09/09 Clemson
09/16 Mercer
09/23 Missouri
09/30 Miss State
10/07 Mississippi
10/14 LSU
10/21 Arkansas
11/04 Texas A&M
11/11 Georgia
11/18 LA Monroe
11/25 Alabama

instead of.........

08/31 Florida Intl
09/23 Maryland
09/30 Memphis
10/07 Cincinnati
10/14 E Carolina
10/21 Navy
10/28 Austin Peay
11/04 S Methodist
11/11 Connecticut
11/18 Temple
11/24 S Florida
12/02 Memphis

 

[Tenn Aubie]

Georgia in a close one

I just watched the 40 minute version of the AL-CL game on YT. If that AL team shows up Monday, GA may be in trouble. IF.

They both had some Jekyl&Hyde moments during the season :lol: I don't believe Georgia has played their best game yet.It may come against Bama

 

[Scioto]

i'd love to see UCF play this schedule

09/02 GA Southern
09/09 Clemson
09/16 Mercer
09/23 Missouri
09/30 Miss State
10/07 Mississippi
10/14 LSU
10/21 Arkansas
11/04 Texas A&M
11/11 Georgia
11/18 LA Monroe
11/25 Alabama

instead of.........

08/31 Florida Intl
09/23 Maryland
09/30 Memphis
10/07 Cincinnati
10/14 E Carolina
10/21 Navy
10/28 Austin Peay
11/04 S Methodist
11/11 Connecticut
11/18 Temple
11/24 S Florida
12/02 Memphis

Why should UCF's schedule matter? Besides that's Auburn's schedule.

 

[nitro_z17]

the grind, the grind.

 

[nitro_z17]

heck, ohio state would go undefeated with UCF's schedule :rotf:

 

[Scioto]

heck, ohio state would go undefeated with UCF's schedule :rotf:

Yes they would. Tennessee wouldn't.

Seriously. Why bring up the schedule? I assume you watched the Peach Bowl and probably the AAC championship game and the UCF v USF game. You probably watched most of the Alabama games as well. Based on your "eye test", which team was better?

 

[nitro_z17]

Why bring up the schedule? ......UCF's schedule is a joke man. they are good, they would not be able to handle the SEC grind of 8 games

Based on your "eye test", which team was better?......hahahaha auburn beat bama, UCF beat auburn, so UCF is better than bama. is that what you want me to say? sorry, im not that simple minded. UCF didn't play the auburn that beat georgia and alabama.

 

[Scioto]

Why bring up the schedule? ......UCF's schedule is a joke man. they are good, they would not be able to handle the SEC grind of 8 games

Based on your "eye test", which team was better?......hahahaha auburn beat bama, UCF beat auburn, so UCF is better than bama. is that what you want me to say? sorry, im not that simple minded. UCF didn't play the auburn that beat georgia and alabama.

No. Alabama is clearly better based on my eye test. Also, despite the loss to Auburn, Bama is clearly better than Auburn based on my eye test of both teams' body of work (just as Ohio State is better than Iowa). I know you aren't simple minded. But comparing schedules doesn't matter anymore, if we learned anything from the Committee this year.

And it hasn't been a grind in the SEC for at least five years.

 

[nitro_z17]

But comparing schedules doesn't matter anymore, if we learned anything from the Committee this year.
.

ahhhhh ok, i wondered where you were going with this :tu:

 

[scn]

Why bring up the schedule? ......UCF's schedule is a joke man. they are good, they would not be able to handle the SEC grind of 8 games

Based on your "eye test", which team was better?......hahahaha auburn beat bama, UCF beat auburn, so UCF is better than bama. is that what you want me to say? sorry, im not that simple minded. UCF didn't play the auburn that beat georgia and alabama.

No. Alabama is clearly better based on my eye test. Also, despite the loss to Auburn, Bama is clearly better than Auburn based on my eye test of both teams' body of work (just as Ohio State is better than Iowa). I know you aren't simple minded. But comparing schedules doesn't matter anymore, if we learned anything from the Committee this year.

And it hasn't been a grind in the SEC for at least five years.

It is pretty laughable to say that the SEC hasn't been a grind in five years. My lowly Vols played what was rated as the #1 toughest schedule in all of college football in 2016, and eight of those games were the SEC grind. And, the conference that the talking heads try their best to make a case for being better than the SEC is the Big 10. Their arguments go out the window when I watch mediocre Vol teams boat race higher ranked teams from the Big 10 three years in a row.

Year in and year out, their isn't a conference in the country that is the grind from top to bottom like the SEC.

And, to top off the strength of the SEC, the record of national championships from a conference can't be touched over the last decade plus.

 

[elknturkey]

I would love to have seen ucf get in. I have much respect for frost and I hope he gets Nebraska back to competing for a nc. With that said, any of the 4 teams in the playoffs would have boat raced them. They didn't play the auburn that shows up at Jordan hare. They played a team that thought they were going to be in the run for a national championship to playing in a meaningless bowl game.

Baker would prob hang 70+ if Riley let him. Georgia and Bama would rush over 300 and have their qb begging to get off the field. Clemson would have smacked em around like Miami.

I wish they would go to a 6 team if not 8 team playoff. The top 6 teams are usually so close that's why people feel like they got screwed when their team didn't get in.

I'm all crimson but this match up has me more worried than Clemson. Fromm is a better qb than Bryant. Rb duo is ridiculous. Defense is top notch. Kirby knows Nick. I don't like jalen as the qb. Great athlete but terrible passer and to quick to run if the first read isn't there. If I'm Kirby I'm making Jalen beat me.

With that said, if Bamas D shows up like this past monday Georgia is in trouble. I'm going 24- 17 Bama

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[BamaProud]

Here's the breakdown of Alabama vs. Georgia ahead of the 7 p.m. CT Monday showdown of SEC powers in Atlanta.

Rushing offense
1. Army 362.3
8. Georgia 267.4
10. Alabama 255.7

Passing offense
1. Oklahoma State 389.2
91. Alabama 193.9
110. Georgia 172.9

Total offense
1. Oklahoma 579.6
27. Alabama 449.7
31. Georgia 440.3

Scoring offense
1. UCF 48.2
12. Alabama 37.9
17. Georgia 36.3

Rushing defense
1. Alabama 91.7
2. Michigan State 95.3
20. Georgia 121.9

Passing defense
1. Michigan 150.1
3. Alabama 160.6
8. Georgia 167.6

Total defense
1. Alabama 252.4
2. Wisconsin 262.1
6. Georgia 289.5

Scoring defense
1. Alabama 11.1
2. Clemson 13.6
5. Georgia 15.7

Turnover margin
1. Wyoming +24
5. Alabama +13
34. Georgia +5

Penalties
1. Minnesota 28.3 yards per game
21. Alabama 40.6
75. Georgia 55.0

3rd down offense
1. Army 55.2%
9. Georgia 46.0%
45. Alabama 42.1%

3rd down defense
1. Michigan 26.1%
25. Georgia 33.6%
26. Alabama 33.9%

Red zone TDs
1. Army 82.3%
16. Georgia 71.7%
24. Alabama 69.8%

20-yard plays
1. Oklahoma 117
8. Georgia 86
39. Alabama 66

20-yard plays allowed
1. Alabama 37
2. Washington 38
25. Georgia 50

Sacks
1. USC 46.0
1. Clemson 46.0
21. Alabama 36.0
37. Georgia 31.0

Sacks allowed
1. Army 1.0
23. Georgia 18.0
52. Alabama 24.0

Time of possession
1. Navy 36:18/game
11. Georgia 33:04/game
66. Alabama 30:01/game

 

[PalsPal]

Here's the breakdown of Alabama vs. Georgia ahead of the 7 p.m. CT Monday showdown of SEC powers in Atlanta.


Turnover margin
1. Wyoming +24
5. Alabama +13
34. Georgia +5

This will determine the game.

If GA wins the TO margin, then it should be a very good game.

 

[Scioto]

I would love to have seen ucf get in. I have much respect for frost and I hope he gets Nebraska back to competing for a nc. With that said, any of the 4 teams in the playoffs would have boat raced them. They didn't play the auburn that shows up at Jordan hare. They played a team that thought they were going to be in the run for a national championship to playing in a meaningless bowl game.

Baker would prob hang 70+ if Riley let him. Georgia and Bama would rush over 300 and have their qb begging to get off the field. Clemson would have smacked em around like Miami.

I wish they would go to a 6 team if not 8 team playoff. The top 6 teams are usually so close that's why people feel like they got screwed when their team didn't get in.

I'm all crimson but this match up has me more worried than Clemson. Fromm is a better qb than Bryant. Rb duo is ridiculous. Defense is top notch. Kirby knows Nick. I don't like jalen as the qb. Great athlete but terrible passer and to quick to run if the first read isn't there. If I'm Kirby I'm making Jalen beat me.

With that said, if Bamas D shows up like this past monday Georgia is in trouble. I'm going 24- 17 Bama

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I've said before I think Hurts will be Alabama's JT Barrett. When his college career is done, he'll own all the records and win a lot of games, including maybe this year's national championship. Similar to Barrett, leadership and the intangibles seem to be his strong suit along with running ability, but downfield accuracy is a huge issue with him. The passing question marks are probably a combination of things in addition to arm talent. Scheme, being a running QB also play into it (and having WRs that can catch the darn ball, which has been more of an issue at Ohio State, not Alabama). One thing to watch over the next two years will be the number of Hurts' rushes. I know legs are just as important as arm talent for a baseball pitcher and would think it's the same for a QB. The last two seasons especially, Barrett had sort of two different seasons each year - first half very strong in the passing game, but a second half of the season a huge struggle. For example, this year going into the Iowa game he had thrown 25 TDs and just one INT over the first 7 games, but threw 10 TDs and 8 INTs the final 6 games. Similar stats last year. Barrett rushed the ball 205 times in 2016 and 165 times in 2017 (656 total rushes for his career, and that doesn't include sacks and QB hits). Those amount of rushes take a toll on the legs and I think his second half of the season performances in 2016 and 2017 had as much to do with the toll his legs were taking as his arm talent, play calling/scheme, WRs, etc. It's telling that in the B1G championship game and Cotton Bowl this year Ohio State jumped out to leads against Wisconsin and USC and then started running the clock out in the second quarter of each game and relied on the defense to hold the lead (unlike against Clemson last year when they had Barrett throw the ball all over the place and got blown out). Had Barrett not gotten hurt against Michigan, I think Ohio State would have lost that game, because he didn't have the ability to bring them back. I didn't watch the Bama v Clemson game, but from reading it seems like Alabama's game plan was similar (which is why Saban ripped Dabol a new one when he called two straight pass plays late in the game.) Jalen Hurts rushed 191 times in 2016 and 148 times so far for the 2017 season (339 total). Barrett's first two seasons as a starter he rushed a total of 286 times (but his second season he shared starts with Cardale Jones). Hurts is already ahead of Barrett in number of rushes and its all going to catch up with him.

Hurts will go down in the pantheon of Crimson Tide greats when it's all said and done, but you'll be happy when his career ends.

 

[elknturkey]

Well said schioto. Jalen and JT are pretty much one the same. From what glimpse I've seen from Tua I would love to see him have a chance at the starting position next year. Granted he was put in against weak teams that were already blown out you could see the potential was there. Hard to argue against a QB that has a record of 25-2 though so looks like I'll have to watch Jalen 2 more years.

Ps
I've said the same about JT since he took over at QB. Never understood the praise. Great athlete just not someone that has the complete skills for QB. Already been reading talk about Jalen will be in the run for the heisman next year and I'm sitting here thinking huh?

 

[Scioto]

Well said schioto. Jalen and JT are pretty much one the same. From what glimpse I've seen from Tua I would love to see him have a chance at the starting position next year. Granted he was put in against weak teams that were already blown out you could see the potential was there. Hard to argue against a QB that has a record of 25-2 though so looks like I'll have to watch Jalen 2 more years.

Ps
I've said the same about JT since he took over at QB. Never understood the praise. Great athlete just not someone that has the complete skills for QB. Already been reading talk about Jalen will be in the run for the heisman next year and I'm sitting here thinking huh?

"schioto"? Was that a Freudian slip?

JT went 49-6. National champion. Two Big Ten titles. Was 4-0 vs the skunk weasels. Big Ten QB of the year three times. Broke Drew Brees' Big Ten yardage records. Owns every Ohio State QB record (finally getting the multiple felon Art Schlicter out of the record books). And a lot of Buckeye Nation can't wait for the Dwayne Haskins era to start. I admit I'm one of them. After all "fan" is short for "fanatic." The back up QB is often the most popular player on the team. Despite all he accomplished and the great young man he is, his limits drove me crazy.

 

[scn]

You are spot on, Scioto in that a lot of times we don't realize and appreciate just how good we have it until it is gone. Josh Dobbs will ALWAYS be one of my favorite Vols due to him being such a classy young man and great ambassador for the Vols. But, I will confess at being frustrated by some of his passing limitations. I looked forward to having a "real" quarterback this year. After a year without Dobbs, I was quick to realize that his athletic abilities masked a lot of the issues in the offense he was being asked to run. It would have been interesting to see what he could have done with some real coaching.

I've learned not to look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[cbhunter]

You are spot on, Scioto in that a lot of times we don't realize and appreciate just how good we have it until it is gone. Josh Dobbs will ALWAYS be one of my favorite Vols due to him being such a classy young man and great ambassador for the Vols. But, I will confess at being frustrated by some of his passing limitations. I looked forward to having a "real" quarterback this year. After a year without Dobbs, I was quick to realize that his athletic abilities masked a lot of the issues in the offense he was being asked to run. It would have been interesting to see what he could have done with some real coaching.

I've learned not to look a gift horse in the mouth.

I was always a big critic of Dobbs, but man did I miss him this year!!


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[PalsPal]

I blame Dobbs wholeheartedly for the mess we're in. Had he NOT come to Tn we would have fired Butch three years ago.

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[nitro_z17]

:rotf:

 

[FTG-05]