What a difference…..

[redblood]

Just reading all the turkey threads this spring it dawned on me how we viewed turkey shells has changed. 6 yrs ago we were all amazed that a turkey load could pattern as well as tss. Today we are all amazed that we can pattern our turkey guns 1.00 to 1.50 a shell by using lead. Circle of life…..or death i suppose in this example. My 3" grandslams i plan to shoot tomorrow cost me 84 cents a shell btw.

 

[Griswold]

Sure in 12 gauge 2 dollar lead is rocking all day long, in my 20 gauges i will continue to use tss until i can no longer find it.

 

[Wrangler95]

Depends on price next year on the TSS!

 

[REN]

its full circle for sure but its a forced one due to price of TSS vs advancements in lead options. Im not sure how full circle it is in 12 gauge as there have been lead loads for a while that were really good and the original switch on that gauge was more to Hevi13. The price difference wasnt all that much to move to Hevi13 in 12 gauge, but once Long Beards originally came out it really moved the needle to lead being a VERY good option in that gauge.

20 gauge however IMO there is still not a great lead load option out there, sure there are better options now then 10 years ago but again, in my opinion, there are not great options in sub gauges.

IF i was forced to by price to switch to something in my 20 gauge I wouldnt even bother with working on a 20 gauge load. I would just switch back to 12 gauge and use my stash of Magblends or go to a lead load.

 

[paboom]

Nothing has really changed with the 12g. TSS was never necessary with the 12.

With the sub gauges, TSS is still the only option.

 

[megalomaniac]

I think everyone has a 'breaking point' for what they are willing to spend on a single shotshell....

For me, that is $8. Others may have no problem spending $20.

I have been looking for that sweet spot between weight and compactness of firearm vs killing reliability vs cost of ammunition (not just today, but in the future as well... and I STRONGLY suspect TSS will again double by next spring).

If TSS goes back to $5 per shell, I will switch back to it. It is clearly superior to lead if you plan on shooting past 40 in the 12g, and there is no comparison between the two in sub gauges. For sub gauges, you either HAVE to shoot TSS, or you HAVE to limit shots to 30y and in. In the 12g, it doesn't matter. The bird isn't any more dead because you used TSS over lead (at 40 an in).

 

[Coker]

I'm still paying $10 a shell for TSS 20 guage and $10 a shell for Hevi 13 12 guage

 

[paboom]

The concern in my book is that there will be people who were killing birds at long ranges with TSS and given the cost won't continue to buy them, but will continue to take those shots-leading to a lot of wounded and lost birds.

 

[redblood]

I think everyone has a 'breaking point' for what they are willing to spend on a single shotshell....

For me, that is $8. Others may have no problem spending $20.

I have been looking for that sweet spot between weight and compactness of firearm vs killing reliability vs cost of ammunition (not just today, but in the future as well... and I STRONGLY suspect TSS will again double by next spring).

If TSS goes back to $5 per shell, I will switch back to it. It is clearly superior to lead if you plan on shooting past 40 in the 12g, and there is no comparison between the two in sub gauges. For sub gauges, you either HAVE to shoot TSS, or you HAVE to limit shots to 30y and in. In the 12g, it doesn't matter. The bird isn't any more dead because you used TSS over lead (at 40 an in).

I found the receipt for my 1st tss purchases from bass lro in severville. My wife and daughter drive to me a client there so i had the
Pick up tss. They bought 2 boxes of browning tss and 2 boxes of federal 3rd degrees - marxh 30 , 2020. The receipt was in an unopened box of browning TSS. My wife put it in there so i could take them back if she bought the wrong shell. Browning tss was 39.99 for 5. 3rd degree tss blend was 24.99. The 3rd degree is what we liked the best so i still have some of the brownings. You are right about breaking points. My breaking point was 8 to 9 a shell

 

[megalomaniac]

The concern in my book is that there will be people who were killing birds at long ranges with TSS and given the cost won't continue to buy them, but will continue to take those shots-leading to a lot of wounded and lost birds.

or not long shots...

used to killing birds with a 20g at 40y with TSS and switching to lead and still shooting at 40.

 

[paboom]

or not long shots...

used to killing birds with a 20g at 40y with TSS and switching to lead and still shooting at 40.

I think we're saying the same thing.