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Besides salt/mineral blocks, what are your thoughts on attracting deer to certain area in the woods? We don't have many open spots so a food plot is out of the question. I had thought about trying to find a few open patches around creeks, rake off, and fertilize so rainfall would drain down to those spots. Thoughts on what would be the right fertilizer given limited light.
 
Without sunlight hitting the ground, little of value to wildlife will grow. Honestly, the only real answer is getting sunlight on the ground, but that requires opening the canopy.

Have you ever considering asking the owner about taking a small patch of timber and killing trees of no wildlife habitat or timber value? Releasing the valuable trees from neighboring competition will increase their growth and production, while also allowing sunlight to reach the forest floor through the gaps in the canopy produced by killing the undesirable trees.
 
Without sunlight hitting the ground, little of value to wildlife will grow. Honestly, the only real answer is getting sunlight on the ground, but that requires opening the canopy.

Have you ever considering asking the owner about taking a small patch of timber and killing trees of no wildlife habitat or timber value? Releasing the valuable trees from neighboring competition will increase their growth and production, while also allowing sunlight to reach the forest floor through the gaps in the canopy produced by killing the undesirable trees.

I have been thinking the same. I own the property so asking the owner is no problem. :) Mine is either a cedar thicket or fairly open woods made up of small oaks. The property was select cut around 10 to 15 years ago but not very thick.

Any suggestions?
 
Food plots don't have to be large, I plant mine right on the access road, and a side trail and they stop just long enough for a shot.
 
We had a select timber cut about 13 years ago. They left all the oaks above maybe 15" diameter. It looks like a bunch of trash trees have grown back and are getting 2-4 inches now. The problem is that I'm not confident enough to know which trees to kill without any leaves on them.

Is there a good list of middle tn trees with no value and some pics of the younger trees without leaves?
 
Without sunlight hitting the ground, little of value to wildlife will grow. Honestly, the only real answer is getting sunlight on the ground, but that requires opening the canopy.

Have you ever considering asking the owner about taking a small patch of timber and killing trees of no wildlife habitat or timber value? Releasing the valuable trees from neighboring competition will increase their growth and production, while also allowing sunlight to reach the forest floor through the gaps in the canopy produced by killing the undesirable trees.
It is a lease. We are somewhat limited on what we can do in terms of tree removal. Generally I maintain/trim logging roads that serve as access points. My thoughts were to be to really scout and try to find areas that may fit in terms of sunlight. If I am able to find those areas, what would you suggest I do for fertilization?
 
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It is a lease. We are somewhat limited on what we can do in terms of tree removal. Generally I maintain/trim logging roads that serve as access points. My thoughts were to be to really scout and try to find areas that may fit in terms of sunlight. If I am able to find those areas, what would you suggest I do for fertilization?
Not a farmer but you would need to know ph value , probably could lime it but you really need to know how much . Take a soil sample somewhere were they could do that for you, probably farm agent but don't really know. Once you've done that then you can use fertilizer before you plant whatever you are going to plant.
 
It is a lease. We are somewhat limited on what we can do in terms of tree removal. Generally I maintain/trim logging roads that serve as access points. My thoughts were to be to really scout and try to find areas that may fit in terms of sunlight. If I am able to find those areas, what would you suggest I do for fertilization?
In the vast majority of TN east of KY Lake, the problem isn't nutrient poor soil, but highly acidic soil. If I would recommend anything (without soil samples) I would recommend throwing around some of the bagged, granulated lime. It doesn't matter what nutrients are in the soil if it is acidic. The acidity binds the nutrients to the soil particles to the point plants can't access them. Neutralizing the soil by adding lime releases what nutrients are already there naturally.

As for what to plant, Elbon Rye will virtually grow on concrete. Plus it has some added benefits in that it will quickly add biomass to the soil after a season or two of growth, and it has some natural herbicidic qualities (reduces the growth of broadleaf weeds).
 
In the vast majority of TN east of KY Lake, the problem isn't nutrient poor soil, but highly acidic soil. If I would recommend anything (without soil samples) I would recommend throwing around some of the bagged, granulated lime. It doesn't matter what nutrients are in the soil if it is acidic. The acidity binds the nutrients to the soil particles to the point plants can't access them. Neutralizing the soil by adding lime releases what nutrients are already there naturally.

As for what to plant, Elbon Rye will virtually grow on concrete. Plus it has some added benefits in that it will quickly add biomass to the soil after a season or two of growth, and it has some natural herbicidic qualities (reduces the growth of broadleaf weeds).
Yes. Fertilizer is expensive and does no good if the ph is off. It's like baking a cake, you can add all the sugar in a cake you want but without flour and other ingredients it won't work . Lime is cheap and takes awhile to incorporate into the soil and most areas need it especially around cedars or other evergreens.
 
Thank you for the responses. I had thought about lime. Any suggestions time wise on when to put lime out and when to put something like rye out?
 
I've had good results with fall food plots under tree canopies by pruning as high as I can with a 16ft pole saw. Then raking leaves and loosening Soil. Plotspike clover mix and annual ryegrass seed. Then lightly compact so seed has good contact with soil. Planted this Sep 1st last year.
 

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I have been thinking the same. I own the property so asking the owner is no problem. :) Mine is either a cedar thicket or fairly open woods made up of small oaks. The property was select cut around 10 to 15 years ago but not very thick.

Any suggestions?
I have cut some of my cedar thicket trees and just let lay. This makes a great bedding area. I plan on letting dry out then burn in about 2 years. Have video of mature bucks already coming from this area.
 
Thank you for the responses. I had thought about lime. Any suggestions time wise on when to put lime out and when to put something like rye out?
I put my annual rye grass out around late September to the first of October. This allows it to get started good before the leave fall. Once the leaves fall rack it off for best results. Once the sun starts hitting it it will jump up fast.
 
Well pretty much every hunter in the mountains around me just simply goes to the co-op and gets some yeller acorns. 😂
I'm sure they do! I had one dump a bunch of corn out last August where I normally sit for the velvet hunt. Just trying to think of small things to possibly lure more deer into spots.
 
Besides salt/mineral blocks, what are your thoughts on attracting deer to certain area in the woods? We don't have many open spots so a food plot is out of the question. I had thought about trying to find a few open patches around creeks, rake off, and fertilize so rainfall would drain down to those spots. Thoughts on what would be the right fertilizer given limited light.
I'm in a couple government programs. They come out and burn my pine stands and they came out and did a hack and squirt on all invasive trees. They take a machete, make a gash in tree, and put poison in that gash. The tree will die and fall over. It creates a mess for a couple years but it is awesome after that. You can also hinge cut trees to create bedding areas. Hinge cutting definitely works. Planting fruit bearing trees is also a great solution. I have also created watering holes. You can get water troughs and put them in ground. Put a stick in it for mice to crawl out. u can put them in areas where water will naturally drain into it
 
Thank you for the responses. I had thought about lime. Any suggestions time wise on when to put lime out and when to put something like rye out?
Because lime takes a while to completely activate in the soil, I would consider spreading some this spring. Elbon rye is a winter cereal grain hence it is planted in fall. It can grow 36-40" tall by the following spring. That's a lot of biomass to fall into the soil once it dies back in late spring or early summer.

Rye grass works (it too will grow anywhere), but it is not as preferred by deer as Elbon rye. When I first break ground on a new food plot, the soil takes a couple of years of working before it will grow what I really want. To help condition the soil, I usually plant Elbon rye for a couple of years. I've had very good results with the "Wintergrazer" variety.
 
Some years back I had an elderly successful hunter tell me to fertilize naturally occurring plants, such as honeysuckle and greenbrier. Go out as far as the longest limbs or vine runners and dig down 6-8 inches and use triple 13 or other fertilizers to make the plants grow and the minerals from the fertilizers will transfer to the deer. Well, I don't know if that's true but I do know that I have harvested many deer, in deep woods, using that technique.
 
Besides salt/mineral blocks, what are your thoughts on attracting deer to certain area in the woods? We don't have many open spots so a food plot is out of the question. I had thought about trying to find a few open patches around creeks, rake off, and fertilize so rainfall would drain down to those spots. Thoughts on what would be the right fertilizer given limited light.
If you are planting clover use 6-12-12 are a fertilizer with low nitrogen. I would recommend you put lime out now so it will help you fertilizer.
 
Some years back I had an elderly successful hunter tell me to fertilize naturally occurring plants, such as honeysuckle and greenbrier. Go out as far as the longest limbs or vine runners and dig down 6-8 inches and use triple 13 or other fertilizers to make the plants grow and the minerals from the fertilizers will transfer to the deer. Well, I don't know if that's true but I do know that I have harvested many deer, in deep woods, using that technique.

Interesting....I've read about fertilizing select natural vegetation to increase growth of desired plants......I know in the grown up areas we bush hog strips through the deer love the briars, honeysuckle and natural grasses....they also love the edge created by bush hogging strips too.

Got off the original topic... sorry.
 
.....I know in the grown up areas we bush hog strips through the deer love the briars, honeysuckle and natural grasses....they also love the edge created by bush hogging strips too.
Bushogging strips through brushy regrowth is a great way to restart the growth process. And the young growth that comes back the next year will be less woody and easier for deer to digest.

But I would also suggest lightly running a disk over those strips just before green-up. Mowing and burning tend to promote grasses, which are great winter cover. But breaking the soil even a little tends to promote broadleaf weeds in summer, which are a key component of a deer's summer diet. Some weeds are nearly equal in nutrient content to a soybean plant.
 
Bushogging strips through brushy regrowth is a great way to restart the growth process. And the young growth that comes back the next year will be less woody and easier for deer to digest.

But I would also suggest lightly running a disk over those strips just before green-up. Mowing and burning tend to promote grasses, which are great winter cover. But breaking the soil even a little tends to promote broadleaf weeds in summer, which are a key component of a deer's summer diet. Some weeds are nearly equal in nutrient content to a soybean plant.

Interesting you mention disking....one year I bush hogged several larger strip areas tight to the ground....and ran disk over it with intentions of coming back to plant food plot......then work schedule changed and life happened and sowing plot seed never got done.....I was disappointed to say the least.......until I returned to the property many weeks later and discovered exactly what you described....leafy vegetation and natural grasses....got a couple of good rains and it looked great....and the deer really hit it hard.

Also worth noting....this method is an affordable way to create food plots... tractor fuel and time....can provide a nice return on investment.
 
I had some plots bulldozed in the woods last Feb. All summer long, and before I tilled and planted, I got hundreds of pics of deer feeding in the new green growth that shot up once the canopy was opened.
 
I always take note of open areas in the canopy, especially after leaf drop. I plant these "patches" just before leaf drop which is why I look for these type areas. I've never done an area of any size because of this but my small "hidey hole" areas like this have produced a couple of nice bucks.
 
We had a select timber cut about 13 years ago. They left all the oaks above maybe 15" diameter. It looks like a bunch of trash trees have grown back and are getting 2-4 inches now. The problem is that I'm not confident enough to know which trees to kill without any leaves on them.

Is there a good list of middle tn trees with no value and some pics of the younger trees without leaves?
You can contact your state forester that will come out and advise you on your property for free.
 
I don't hack-and-squirt or cut unless leaves are on so I know what I'm killing/cutting. Usually do both in late fall, just before leaves come off.
 

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