TWRC cut my spring Turkey season in half!!!

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I admit that moving most of the WMAs in West TN from a quota hunt to a non quota was a good thing because that ultimately led to most of my spots getting closed so i had to go find other WMAs to hunt well i did and did ok....well now they passed the new WMA turkey season proclamation and included in it the new WMAs i found and thus making ALL I repeat ALL my hunting spots closed until the 3rd weekend of turkey season.....what the hell were they thinking it definitely was the tn hunters that hunt 100% on public land.....i measured it and all state land within a 2300 square mile radius will be shutdown until the third weekend of the season....i emailed my image to the commissioner Teague...awaiting response.
 
I hate that for you. I really do. I've got a feeling they could careless. The only concern of that commission is buck limits. I doubt you can sway their decision but I really hope you can.

What was the reasoning for setting the dates on those WMA's?


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I don't understand why they have to make all wma the same. About as dumb as the same regulations for the entire state.

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The reasoning is poor recruitment because of recent floods. While a later opener will not address flooding, it will hopefully ensure all hens are bred, and in the case of another flood, ensure there are a few gobblers left to breed hens when they renest. Every one of the listed WMAs are in flood plains or wetlands.

There is your biological justification. While hunters pay the bills, TWRA has a responsibility to the resource first, and the sportsman second.
 
MickThompson":2ytyouq4 said:
The reasoning is poor recruitment because of recent floods. While a later opener will not address flooding, it will hopefully ensure all hens are bred, and in the case of another flood, ensure there are a few gobblers left to breed hens when they renest. Every one of the listed WMAs are in flood plains or wetlands.

There is your biological justification. While hunters pay the bills, TWRA has a responsibility to the resource first, and the sportsman second.
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MickThompson":19lmsrl0 said:
The reasoning is poor recruitment because of recent floods. While a later opener will not address flooding, it will hopefully ensure all hens are bred, and in the case of another flood, ensure there are a few gobblers left to breed hens when they renest. Every one of the listed WMAs are in flood plains or wetlands.

There is your biological justification. While hunters pay the bills, TWRA has a responsibility to the resource first, and the sportsman second.
Its taken TWRA nearly 5 years to respond to the devistating floods of 2011. 2012, 2013 and 2014 passed by for them to recognize this. Where was the responsibility to the resources as open to statewide hunting resumed then? Ive yet to receive an answer on that.

My personal experience with John Tully WMA (since I hunt it religiously) was the population was nearly whiped out in 2011. Since then the population has rebounded on its on, allowing for the highest harvest total in a decade prior to the quota hunt change. Local TWRA personnel also reported great hatches in 2014 and I can attest for the increased number of sightings from my time in the field through out the year.

Ive sent respectful emails to Commisioner Bill Cox as well as others since last spring, im still awaiting a reply to this day regarding these issues. As a result I dont have much faith in receiving a email reply from any Commissioner we have.

The issue I have with TWRA and the TWC is you cant manage each WMA the same. Even though all of our WMAs in question are in the flood plain, they all flood differently. Some flood at lower Ms River stages than others. They also have different aspects that should be considered as well. Shelby Forest is flat over run with wild hogs and is having an negative impact on other native game species such as turkeys. Emails have been sent to our area Commisioner Bill Cox about this issue, once again no reply was received and after watching the videos he failed to bring this up during the final meeting on the proclamation just the other day (unless I missed it). However, as a side note, Cox jumped in at the last moment and brought forth an admendment so Unit L could extend deer season by 5 days for doe only on private lands, against the advice of Chuck Yoest (as I perceived it). Obviously Commisioner Cox's interest is in private land hunters.

It sure seems poor management is a contributing factor for the issues we face with our flocks in the alluvial flood plain of West Tenn compounded by a record flood. Decades ago Shelby Forest and Anderson Tully had turkeys when many places in Tennessee did not, as a result many years of trapping took place to aid in the restoration efforts across the state. Now the original flocks suffer while others prosper.
 
Andy S.":sv02ofkx said:
Good post UT with very valid points that many hunters in west TN echo day in and day out when I talk to them.

I agree, it seems to be the consensus view. I was recently speaking with a old turkey hunter who is a veteran to Shelby Forest. He told me about 20 years ago there were 4 quota hunts of 125, later bumped to 150 hunters with open to statewide at the end of the season, at that time trapping was being performed to restock other parts of the state. Harvest totals then were around 40-50 birds. Fields were being burned during nesting period resulting in destruction of nests. The harvest totals dropped drastically down to 1 bird being killed before they shut it down all the way for about 5 years. I have no doubt he is doesn't know what he is talking about, he even named one particular TWRA employee name who was responsible.

I remember Chickasaw NWR was shut down completely for about 5 years in the 90s after it received a pounding to open to statewide hunting for a number of years. Since then the Feds have got it together and done an exceptional job managing their quota hunts, its one of the more quality hunts in West Tennessee. Perhaps TWRA should get it right and learn something from them.
 
It was longer than 20 yrs ago. I went on my first turkey hunt on the forest 24 yrs ago and they only had a juvie hunt that yr due to not a single bird being killed on the hunt.
 

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