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The hens we are seeing have 5-7 poults with them.

I don't know what a good survival rate is for them, but this seems like more than what I am used to seeing this late in the year.

It probably doesn't hurt that my neighbor and I have devastated the local predator population.
 
I may not kill big bucks on the public land I hunt like the hunting lease corn pile guys do, but I just arrowed a nanny doe last week after scouting and finding some hot acorn feeds and well used travel paths from bedding.

That's learning to hunt and that's more of an accomplishment than any number of bucks from 200 yds away over a pile of poured bait.
AMEN!!!
 
I've been seeing a bunch of birds in fields but, I know a lot of them are young birds. I wonder what the survival rate is for young birds their first year?
 
Yea the SRS was not much better at all. If I remember correctly it was 35% poult recruitment success there vs 22% statewide. But they also did no predator control in that area, no burns, no habitat improvement at all. All they did was just prohibit hunting.

They claimed to not be proposing anything, just presenting data, but it was quite clear they believed in delaying the opener. Nothing was presented to support a theory that delaying the opener would not help things to let us make our own decision and I didn't even know those studies existed until reading this thread.

One other thing is the issue of baiting deer. South Carolina is probably 2nd to Texas as being the "Pay $2k for a hunt club and shoot at a pile of corn" capitol of America. By mid September half of Iowa's corn harvest is laying on the dirt here.

There are numerous scientific articles discussing the development of aflatoxin in corn at high enough levels to kill young turkeys. And the timing of the corn piles starting in SC falls right in line with it not only being warm enough to rot, but also the poults still being young enough to be affected by aflatoxin. In addition to the rotting, it also props up a population of known nest predators. Racoons. They love a good corn pile.

I know this is anecdotal, but a couple years after bait was legalized in the upstate regions, that part of the state started seeing its turkey population sharply decline.

South Carolina has a 3 month rifle season, almost 4 months in the lowcountry on private land. I mean, if with a 3 to 4 month rifle season you still need to dump 200# of corn on the ground to kill a deer... find something else to do. Hunting isn't for you 😅
Corn on the ground in warm, humid weather and turkey don't mix. And it's not just young birds that are killed by aflatoxin. Aflatoxin rates of only 50 Parts Per Billion (PPB) can be fatal to adult turkey and 50 PPB of aflatoxin would not be noticeable to the human eye (you would not see mold on the corn).

On several occasions I have found dead turkey near corn feeders on clients' properties. No way to prove it was aflatoxin poisoning, but highly likely. In addition, predators key in on these feeding stations, waiting in ambush for turkey to come feed in that one spot.
 
Corn on the ground in warm, humid weather and turkey don't mix. And it's not just young birds that are killed by aflatoxin. Aflatoxin rates of only 50 Parts Per Billion (PPB) can be fatal to adult turkey and 50 PPB of aflatoxin would not be noticeable to the human eye (you would not see mold on the corn).

On several occasions I have found dead turkey near corn feeders on clients' properties. No way to prove it was aflatoxin poisoning, but highly likely. In addition, predators key in on these feeding stations, waiting in ambush for turkey to come feed in that one spot.
Makes sense, never knew about aflatoxins. But do know from corn for domestic animals once it has moisture applied you don't want to feed it. Also remember when the property near where I use to deer hunt was leased they ran feeders year round, we started seeing more predators during daylight. Probably not needing to hunt prey as hard when ambush spots were predictable.
 
It's interesting the completely different response I got here when discussing aflatoxin in corn vs on a South Carolina forum I'm no longer a member of. Those guys, for one, couldn't kill anything without a pile of corn dumped on the ground. And, for two, want to hear absolutely nothing about how their bait piles could be contributing, at some level, to the decline of turkeys in South Carolina for several reasons. The whole forum attacked me like a hornets nest, hurling insults and foul language, and really just acting like a bunch of children.

Seems like the folks here are not only smarter, but more willing to have a discussion about these sorts of topics even if there is disagreement. I've noticed this in here on other subjects as well.

We truly miss living in Tennessee and are hoping to get back if/when it's affordable to buy a house again. Hopefully your turkey population has rebounded by then!
 
It's interesting the completely different response I got here when discussing aflatoxin in corn vs on a South Carolina forum I'm no longer a member of. Those guys, for one, couldn't kill anything without a pile of corn dumped on the ground. And, for two, want to hear absolutely nothing about how their bait piles could be contributing, at some level, to the decline of turkeys in South Carolina for several reasons. The whole forum attacked me like a hornets nest, hurling insults and foul language, and really just acting like a bunch of children.

Seems like the folks here are not only smarter, but more willing to have a discussion about these sorts of topics even if there is disagreement. I've noticed this in here on other subjects as well.

We truly miss living in Tennessee and are hoping to get back if/when it's affordable to buy a house again. Hopefully your turkey population has rebounded by then!
Great bunch of guys on this forum. Good luck getting back here. We need more good people.
 

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