Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle

This concept has been around for several years as a custom feature (using primed, modified casings with muzzleloaders), and that velocity is no improvement over smokeless muzzleloaders... But you still have to clean nasty BP substitutes.

I don't see any more issue with it than I do with some of the faster and easier to shoot compound bows and crossbows that manufacturers come out with every year, and they cost a kings ransom as well. You can still use the usually cheaper, slower, and harder to shoot recurves, longbows, or older compounds and crossbows if you like, but you don't have to. To each his own.

To me there are far more important things to worry about, and far more pressing ethical concerns in hunting than this, so I have no issue with it whatsoever.
 
My little H&R conversion will out perform that with 58grs of N120.. 200grs of triple 7???? OUCH...
 
One of the outfitters I elk hunted with had 2 Modern
MZ's
I a client showed up with a gun that couldn't cut
it out they came
One of the guides told me he shot antelope at 400 yds
with it, and they some 5 pelts...250 grans
 
landman said:
One of the outfitters I elk hunted with had 2 Modern
MZ's
I a client showed up with a gun that couldn't cut
it out they came
One of the guides told me he shot antelope at 400 yds
with it, and they some 5 pelts...250 grans
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I can introduce you to a rep for Huskemaw scopes out of Cody, WY. With just a bit of load tweaking most modern in-lines can shoot 400 plus yards with there optics.

Would I do it? I dont think so, Im just a little iffy on that distance. But if I draw my WY antelope muzzle loader tag this year I will probably wish I had it!
 
AT Hiker said:
landman said:
One of the outfitters I elk hunted with had 2 Modern
MZ's
I a client showed up with a gun that couldn't cut
it out they came
One of the guides told me he shot antelope at 400 yds
with it, and they some 5 pelts...250 grans
Click to expand...

I can introduce you to a rep for Huskemaw scopes out of Cody, WY. With just a bit of load tweaking most modern in-lines can shoot 400 plus yards with there optics.

Would I do it? I dont think so, Im just a little iffy on that distance. But if I draw my WY antelope muzzle loader tag this year I will probably wish I had it!
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I'm happy with my Pro-Hunter
When elk hunting my setup is good for 250yds
just takes time and practice 189 yds has been
my longest kill on a Bull with MZ
 
Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't go all the way and make it smokeless. That's a waste of the potential this gun has. It's as if they got all the way up to the finish line and then refused to win the race. All they ended up with is a different ignition system for a ML that can be loaded somewhat heavier but not equal to the Savage smokeless rifles?!
 
Hunter 257W said:
Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't go all the way and make it smokeless. That's a waste of the potential this gun has. It's as if they got all the way up to the finish line and then refused to win the race. All they ended up with is a different ignition system for a ML that can be loaded somewhat heavier but not equal to the Savage smokeless rifles?
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That be my take. But even if they had made is smokeless, it's still way overpriced, imo. You can buy tired & proven new Savage Smokeless with Accu-Trigger for less money.

Perhaps there is some limited market for this muzzleloader?
But I can figure it out. Even the Savage Smokeless can be loaded with most any black-powder substitute.

Savage and others have been offering more potent muzzleloaders than this now for over a decade.
 
States that actually need muzzleloader season to increase hunter opportunity while not significantly impacting the resource place significant restrictions precluding the use of the newfangled muzzleloaders (ie, Colorado- no sabots or pyrodex pellets can be used; no smokeless powder; no scopes).

Tennessee's deer herd no longer needs protection from overharvest during muzzleloader season, so the gloves are off. In fact, Tn already kills more deer during ML weekends as during regular rifle weekends.

At this point, there is no biological reason for ML season... just a tradition and increased revenue for TWRA by selling separate tags.

I agree with the above post regarding whether one wants to spend $1000 on a 400 yard capable smokeless ML, or $150 on a beat up old TC Hawken knock-off. But I also think it has become silly to restrict other hunters (especially young children) from using centerfire rifles if they prefer during what is the best period for deer hunting (in Middle TN).

Here in MS for the upcoming 2014 deer season, we will be able to use any weapon we choose during 'primitive weapon season', as long as one still purchases the 'primitive weapon tag'. No loss of revenue to the state, and those that still prefer to see the cloud of smoke come out the end of the barrel are allowed to continue to do so if they desire.

I'd like to see one of two things happen in TN... elimiate the antiquated restriction of ML season altogether; or at least allow children under the age of 12 to use any weapon of their choice during both ML as well as centerfire season.
 
I'm not buying one
But $1,500 msrp retail means about $1,300
and I've seem used converted one for $1.100
and up

Smokeless isn't allowed in many states is the
reason

In the Savage, I had one was never impressed
sold it, buddy sent it back to factory , it never
would shoot as good as mine or his
Pro Hunter.... But it may have just been that gun
 

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