Stupid scope-mounting question

[BSK]

BTW, the Leupold rings are Rifleman detachable rings (although I never plan to detach them).

 

[Jcalder]

BTW, the Leupold rings are Rifleman detachable rings (although I never plan to detach them).

It doesn't get much worse than these. Good news is most anything would be an improvement.

 

[Remi]

BTW, the Leupold rings are Rifleman detachable rings (although I never plan to detach them).

Yeah, those are about as bad as you can buy.



I'd look here: https://www.ebay.com/p/9031098648

 

[Patrick H]

I have used, and never had an issue, with Leupold PRW2 and QRW2 rings.

 

[jlanecr500]

I use a method similar to @fairchaser . It isn't as common with custom actions but a lot of factory actions are poorly machined. IE the ejection port and/or top receiver surface not 90° to a vertical line thru the tennon. When this happens, the level placed on those surfaces will cant the reciever when they show level. This puts the scope and barrel on different centerlines. The tool I use is pretty simple. It sits on the barrel with a v notch and on the scope objective also with a v notch. The level on top shows when the barrel and scope are on the same centerline. Beyond this, I use the vertical string on a plumb Bob at 25 yards to set the scope vertical crosshair plumb.

https://www.neconos.com/item/EXD-Vertical-Reticle-Instrument-for-accurate-reticle-bore-alignment-140

https://www.firearmsinsider.tv/gun-gear-reviews/exd-engineering-vertical-reticle-instrument

I see there is another brand that is even more in-depth.

 

[BSK]

I use a method similar to @fairchaser . It isn't as common with custom actions but a lot of factory actions are poorly machined. IE the ejection port and/or top receiver surface not 90° to a vertical line thru the tennon. When this happens, the level placed on those surfaces will cant the reciever when they show level. This puts the scope and barrel on different centerlines. The tool I use is pretty simple. It sits on the barrel with a v notch and on the scope objective also with a v notch. The level on top shows when the barrel and scope are on the same centerline. Beyond this, I use the vertical string on a plumb Bob at 25 yards to set the scope vertical crosshair plumb.

https://www.neconos.com/item/EXD-Vertical-Reticle-Instrument-for-accurate-reticle-bore-alignment-140

https://www.firearmsinsider.tv/gun-gear-reviews/exd-engineering-vertical-reticle-instrument

I see there is another brand that is even more in-depth.

Fascinating. Thanks!

 

[Remi]

I had a Warne Vapor 30mm high ring a friend tried to hone and, well, it didn't go so smooth lol.


I put it in a vice and smacked it with a 32oz ball peen until it collapsed, opened it up and collapsed it again. The outside of the ring finally crinkled on the 2nd go right before it touched the other side but it never broke through completely.


I would venture to say the Warne Vapor rings would take any amount of abuse from a firearm and never flinch.

If guys are looking for a stout aluminum ring I'd say these are a solid choice.

 

[infoman jr.]

We shall see. I'm not convinced Loctite isn't the way to go, but...

Use blue loctite. 242 or 243.

 

[MUP]

I had a Warne Vapor 30mm high ring a friend tried to hone and, well, it didn't go so smooth lol.


I put it in a vice and smacked it with a 32oz ball peen until it collapsed, opened it up and collapsed it again. The outside of the ring finally crinkled on the 2nd go right before it touched the other side but it never broke through completely.


I would venture to say the Warne Vapor rings would take any amount of abuse from a firearm and never flinch.

If guys are looking for a stout aluminum ring I'd say these are a solid choice.

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What grade aluminum are they?

 

[Remi]

What grade aluminum are they?

All I can find is a 6000 series.

 

[gtk]

We shall see. I'm not convinced Loctite isn't the way to go, but...

You know, some people, myself included, believe something just because you always heard something as fact.

I did a little googling on loctite changing torque specs on scope rings/mounts, and every manufacturer that had any info on it, stated that Loctite may lubricate the threads a little, but do not change torque specs. However they all say that if it IS torqued correctly, you don't need locktite..

 

[MUP]

All I can find is a 6000 series.

That's soft, as in 6061 Al. It's a more malleable grade than 2024, and even 7075, which is rated at 75,000 tensile strength.

 

[BSK]

You know, some people, myself included, believe something just because you always heard something as fact.

I did a little googling on loctite changing torque specs on scope rings/mounts, and every manufacturer that had any info on it, stated that Loctite may lubricate the threads a little, but do not change torque specs. However they all say that if it IS torqued correctly, you don't need locktite..

Super interesting gtk. Thanks.

And you're right. We believe it because we've heard it all our lives.

 

[Remi]

That's soft, as in 6061 Al. It's a more malleable grade than 2024, and even 7075, which is rated at 75,000 tensile strength.

I figured that's why the Vapor didn't snap.

 

[BSK]

I was surprised that the Leupold rings came with hex-head screws while the rail came with Torx. But I checked the torque-driver set I bought and I have the right sizes for both.

 

[MUP]

Yesterday I swapped out an Arken 26x scope for an Athlon 40x on one of my CZ 457s. It's become old hat, but nice to have all the tools and levels needed to get it done quickly these days.

 

[BSK]

Yesterday I swapped out an Arken 26x scope for an Athlon 40x on one of my CZ 457s. It's become old hat, but nice to have all the tools and levels needed to get it done quickly these days.

I think I've got everything! Going to degrease everything tonight, mount scope tomorrow.

 

[MUP]

I think I've got everything! Going to degrease everything tonight, mount scope tomorrow.

Now you need to, for stress relieving sake, start shooting in the .22 Rimfire matches around here! You'll get plenty of practice swapping scopes, and triggers, and even barrels!

 

[BSK]

Now you need to, for stress relieving sake, start shooting in the .22 Rimfire matches around here! You'll get plenty of practice swapping scopes, and triggers, and even barrels!

Last thing I need is another hobby. "Home remodeling/rebuilding" has been bad enough!

 

[BSK]

Just wanted to thank everyone for all the great advice. All sorts of things I had never thought of, especially scope and receiver levels (never heard of them before), torque screwdriver, torque settings, and washing everything with alcohol first (got more machining grease off than I expected).

Scope is on and looks good. Everything torqued to specs.