Has anyone seen or heard about the likely change to the draws next year? Seen people talking about it on Facebook and there a YouTube video touching on it during the latest TWRA meeting Sounds like everything about to change
New Draws next year
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I figure it will be done via computer from now on.
I hate it too.
I hate it too.
M T Pockets 000
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Don't know. I know I got drawn for Oak Ridge and got canceled. Got a letter stating I could hunt next season and was awarded a priority point. I don't have a clue what changes if any are coming
Yes. Computer drawings killed 4H and youth team shooting fundraising.
IIIIFFFFFF they change the computer drawing to allow you to put in as groups but let each person in the group be able to drawn as an individual I will be more willing to accept it.
This last draw, a group of two or more only had the chance to be counted as one applicant. That ain't right.
I know of a group that put in almost 80 individual names and ended up with multiple blinds. It's all fair but to me cheapens the process.
IIIIFFFFFF they change the computer drawing to allow you to put in as groups but let each person in the group be able to drawn as an individual I will be more willing to accept it.
This last draw, a group of two or more only had the chance to be counted as one applicant. That ain't right.
I know of a group that put in almost 80 individual names and ended up with multiple blinds. It's all fair but to me cheapens the process.
M T Pockets 000
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I just know it's way past time for me to be drawn for an "Elk " hunt
TNGunsmoke
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Go to the 1 hour 51 minute mark and you can hear the proposed changes for the duck blind draw for next year. This is the Commission meeting from 10/24/2020.
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Boat Blind sales in Tennessee will be good in 2021!
Im more interested in pressure on WMAs. I honestly think the thorny, bogota type draws would be fair, and also take some pressure off these WMAs. I have been going to the Camden draw since 1980. My name still hasn't been called.
Semantics question but if we go to this new way of draws (i.e., 3 day draws) then who does the rebuilds? Who brushes them in?
What do other states do with similar type situations.
What do other states do with similar type situations.
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I love change. But if changing the system to accommodate someone that duck hunts 3 days out of 60 is where it's going that doesn't sound fair. That's as bad as making 8 count as 1 like they did this year. And I disagree about the survey size. I think the survey should be open to all duck hunters.
Agree.
The way the presenter laid it out was to convince everyone his way is best.
Look for blinds to be filled with last weeks hunters trash. Why clean up after yourselves when you were just gonna be there a day or two.
Look for blinds to be filled with last weeks hunters trash. Why clean up after yourselves when you were just gonna be there a day or two.
Way i understood it. There won't be any blinds. It'll
Be boat hunting. Because we know TWRA isn't going to build and maintain blinds for people to hunt lol. It really does suck knowing that all this is changing just to accommodate some People that want to hunt just a few days!! They say it's too hard to draw a blind...... i mean geez when was it not too hard to draw one They just need to adjust the drawing process some and leave it alone. Make it where you have to put in as a group with a minimum number of people (say 5) and be done Sure looks like Tennessee duck hunting is goin the way the rest of the world is where everyone gets a participation trophy
Be boat hunting. Because we know TWRA isn't going to build and maintain blinds for people to hunt lol. It really does suck knowing that all this is changing just to accommodate some People that want to hunt just a few days!! They say it's too hard to draw a blind...... i mean geez when was it not too hard to draw one They just need to adjust the drawing process some and leave it alone. Make it where you have to put in as a group with a minimum number of people (say 5) and be done Sure looks like Tennessee duck hunting is goin the way the rest of the world is where everyone gets a participation trophy
If it's boat only places like Cheatham and Haynes Bottom are out of luck.
They'll have to figure something out.
They'll have to figure something out.
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A survey can yield basically whatever you want if "designed" to do so. See last bullet point in the slide presented. If you survey the same limited group yes. But why don't you survey the entire representative group?
They "certainly have not heard from every duck hunter" but I'm pretty sure if they did the feedback would be a lot different. We saw the value of polls/surveys in November 2016. Garbage in, garbage out.
They "certainly have not heard from every duck hunter" but I'm pretty sure if they did the feedback would be a lot different. We saw the value of polls/surveys in November 2016. Garbage in, garbage out.
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My understanding is the blinds will go away, just the site will remain for boat hunters. The MAIN reason, or one of is not just people who never get drawn wanting a chance, its the buying, selling for years that has went on. Thorny, bogota is very popular, these spots are in high demand. It will be the same with this new system. what this is going to do, is make demand for private spots much higher, plus drive duck hunting land spots much higher. I don't care either way as far as the draw. Also, TWRA is looking at the pressure on WMAs, as duck numbers seem to be changing, habits are changing. By going to this new draw, maybe it will give them a few more rest days, which I think would help all of us. I hunt a private tract that joins Tigrett. Many years we have good numbers stack in the bottom several weeks before the season. By the time the season opens, most are pushed out by boatriders, duckwatchers. It would benefit all of us so much in the long run to keep off the WMA at least a week before the season opens. This is one thing I wish TWRA would make mandatory on all waterfowl WMAs. It would make the early hunting so much better. This is why I am in FULL support of anything that reduces pressure in west Tn.
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Everybody that can show up at the 11-12 meeting in Parsons should do so.
It's always baffled me why TWRA just didn't make selling blinds legal. When person gets drawn at public drawing. They are ask if they want to sell. If yes, then it's announced and basically the blind is auctioned off. the person who drew blind splits whatever blind sold for 60/40 with TWRA. That money to TWRA would be earmarked for the operational cost involving waterfowl.
And as long as we're on subject of selling blinds. It appears to me theres never really been Enforcement of the rule. The money exchange may not be done in public but the offers are made in front of everyone and their brother. An officer does not have to try to hard to find out who bought what. A duck hunter will turn on his own in a heartbeat if it means more or better duck killing opportunities. Haha
I think the only people the blind rule change will benefit are the weekend warriors. It's gonna be tough on the guys who hunt 40-50+ days a season.
And as long as we're on subject of selling blinds. It appears to me theres never really been Enforcement of the rule. The money exchange may not be done in public but the offers are made in front of everyone and their brother. An officer does not have to try to hard to find out who bought what. A duck hunter will turn on his own in a heartbeat if it means more or better duck killing opportunities. Haha
I think the only people the blind rule change will benefit are the weekend warriors. It's gonna be tough on the guys who hunt 40-50+ days a season.
I agree with the blind sale but that won't happen. More because of perception than anything.
What you may see in the future is less duck stamps purchased in TN. Then, less duck equipment purchased by TN residents.
What you may see in the future is less duck stamps purchased in TN. Then, less duck equipment purchased by TN residents.
Anyone that's in the know of the wmas they hunt know who bought what within a few days of the draw. I noticed on Facebook this year right after the draw there were a bunch of people trying hard to get the list of the blinds Some even asking about certain blinds lol. As Joe Biden would say C'mon Man!!!
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So being one of those individuals that have never really understood the in-person blind drawings I like the idea of an online-only system. It is, even if you don't agree with it, a fairer system. I think duck hunting more than other forms of hunting struggle more with access to quality areas. How do you balance access and tradition? I am going to guess most complaining about the possible change are the ones who have pretty good access to those quality spots, year in and year out. The years of access to many quality spots by a few groups have led to a slanted view of what public land access really means. This mentality led to every blind on Big Lake WMA in AR being burnt to the ground. Outside of the online draw system and switching to boat hunting only in suitable areas I wouldn't think there could be much more flexibility in revamping the WMA hunting experience. I think KY has you apply for a blind spot the week before in some areas, might be an avenue TN looks at. No way they can drop Reelfoot down to a 3 day per week hunt format any wildlife agency person who put their approval behind that would get their house burnt down.
If the state is truly interested in reducing the pressure on WMAs for duck hunting they need to open up some of the refuge areas, especially in East TN to a few weekends of draw hunts. There are a bunch of duck hunters that travel west which dramatically increases pressure in the western WMAs.
Change is never easy but it sounds like it may be coming to duck hunting in TN.
If the state is truly interested in reducing the pressure on WMAs for duck hunting they need to open up some of the refuge areas, especially in East TN to a few weekends of draw hunts. There are a bunch of duck hunters that travel west which dramatically increases pressure in the western WMAs.
Change is never easy but it sounds like it may be coming to duck hunting in TN.
How is a computer draw more fair than in person?
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This years blind draw was not. Party of 8 = 1 entry. Party of 1 = 1 entry. Hand draw would have been party of 8 = 8 entries, party of 1 = 1 entry.
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Agreed, this years was not because they messed up the numbers. However, a computer draw is fair because it gives equal access to be drawn for a hunt on public land that our taxes and license fees pay for. In-person is only available to those that can get the day off. For example, several of the in-person draws over the last few years happened when I and several buddies had Army drill weekends and we could not attend. A computer draw if done correctly gives you and I the same chance to access our public resource.
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Everyone would just say no it's not for sale, and then sell it afterwards without splitting the profit with TWRA.
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Did the 2019 drawing format remedy the buying and selling? If the 2 draw system they used then helped stop selling then I don't see why we can't go back to that format. I guess someone could buy the blind but they'd not have their name on the card. Presenting ID at blind would show that and you could enforce the rules.
Also what's to keep someone from buying a temporary spot if TWRA goes with the no-blind format? If a guy draws a good spot and wanted to sell spots at his stake what's stopping him? If TWRA allows say 6 hunters at the stake could a man not sell 5 spots for a price? Unless they say 2 hunters max at each spot which is absurd.
To me, a big part of duck hunting is about being with friends at the duck blind. If they build a new draw system based off this survey they are going to ruin that aspect (and a lot of other aspects too). Just so a guy that hunts 3 days a year can have a place to come—if he even shows, and if he can find the blind stake at 4:30 AM on a WMA he's probably never been on or knows.
Just do the computer draw like this year but insert the 2 draw system like 2019. Im pretty sure it can be done. Then a guy from ETN that works at UPS, EMA etc can have the same chance at a blind like us 21% guys that are satisfied with the old system.
Also what's to keep someone from buying a temporary spot if TWRA goes with the no-blind format? If a guy draws a good spot and wanted to sell spots at his stake what's stopping him? If TWRA allows say 6 hunters at the stake could a man not sell 5 spots for a price? Unless they say 2 hunters max at each spot which is absurd.
To me, a big part of duck hunting is about being with friends at the duck blind. If they build a new draw system based off this survey they are going to ruin that aspect (and a lot of other aspects too). Just so a guy that hunts 3 days a year can have a place to come—if he even shows, and if he can find the blind stake at 4:30 AM on a WMA he's probably never been on or knows.
Just do the computer draw like this year but insert the 2 draw system like 2019. Im pretty sure it can be done. Then a guy from ETN that works at UPS, EMA etc can have the same chance at a blind like us 21% guys that are satisfied with the old system.
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But isn't that the issue, a person who lives in West TN an hour or two from great duck hunting and can go every weekend feels they shouldn't pay a "penalty" to a person who lives 5 hours across the state and will only go for two long weekends a season? How do you find the balance point? The duck clubs and leases have gotten so expensive the average guy can't afford to pay. Sure someone might be able to afford a guide for one trip but one trip a year doesn't do it for most. Possibly, a system like AR where there is no draw and its first to the hole wins. Maybe social media should ban all hunting glory posts and that would eliminate about 20% of the clowns that are there because it looks cool on Instagram.
There is no easy answer when the number of people trying to access a limited resource is greater than the resource allows. Someone always feels like they are the loser. Just like many of us feel left out because we can't afford to get on a lease that is stacking up 2000+ kills per year.
Maybe all the state money would be better spent on buying more land or some sort of waterfowl breading program.
There is no easy answer when the number of people trying to access a limited resource is greater than the resource allows. Someone always feels like they are the loser. Just like many of us feel left out because we can't afford to get on a lease that is stacking up 2000+ kills per year.
Maybe all the state money would be better spent on buying more land or some sort of waterfowl breading program.
