Longe Range Muzzle loader...what do you think?

[WG3]

And back to my original post, you have to make the shot.

Or do you?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024482/ ... ideo-.html

This discussion is a lost cause.

I guess it is then. Do you not believe a computer can now do the majority of the work for you? Technically in this case I guess you still have to pull the trigger.

I would say the user is more in control on those TX hunts where you hunt from your home computer than by actually using a Precision guided gun (PGG).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01270.html

Do you not believe the PGG is capable of such or are you trying to prove a different point that I am not picking up on?

All I am saying is that I believe the technology is growing exponentially. Therefore, will there be a time when a agency has to limit what can be used in the field as some already have with what I would call a more primitive technology.

Dont get me wrong, the type of long range shooting most of you are referring to is a skill learned, whether by a pro or through a lot of trial and error. But now we have technology (or very very close to having it) where that skill learned can all but be eliminated. If you chose to not agree with that, then do you think there will ever come a time where it is possible?

You took this conversation from shooting long distance with ease to a computer operated gun.

Yes but that is part of the point if I understand it right, when does it become to much for hunting? Should I be allowed to buy the computerized gun and go trophy elk hunting, or is this going to far?

 

[Jcalder]

And back to my original post, you have to make the shot.

Or do you?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024482/ ... ideo-.html

This discussion is a lost cause.

I guess it is then. Do you not believe a computer can now do the majority of the work for you? Technically in this case I guess you still have to pull the trigger.

I would say the user is more in control on those TX hunts where you hunt from your home computer than by actually using a Precision guided gun (PGG).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01270.html

Do you not believe the PGG is capable of such or are you trying to prove a different point that I am not picking up on?

All I am saying is that I believe the technology is growing exponentially. Therefore, will there be a time when a agency has to limit what can be used in the field as some already have with what I would call a more primitive technology.

Dont get me wrong, the type of long range shooting most of you are referring to is a skill learned, whether by a pro or through a lot of trial and error. But now we have technology (or very very close to having it) where that skill learned can all but be eliminated. If you chose to not agree with that, then do you think there will ever come a time where it is possible?

You took this conversation from shooting long distance with ease to a computer operated gun.

Yes but that is part of the point if I understand it right, when does it become to much for hunting? Should I be allowed to buy the computerized gun and go trophy elk hunting, or is this going to far?

You keep adding to it. You went from the average shooter to a computer operated gun. Like I said. It's a lost cause. And I stand by my original point. It comes down to making the shot

 

[WG3]

You keep adding to it. You went from the average shooter to a computer operated gun. Like I said. It's a lost cause. And I stand by my original point. It comes down to making the shot [/quote]

I don't see how it is lost. Yes as a amatuer it would take a long time to go out and learn to shoot like that. But the thing is, with the technology out, which computerized gun is included, because you still have to pull the trigger, it would be possible. So is it okay for me to go buy a gun that is loaded with technology, being run by a computer, to trophy hunt were I just need to set up a stable shooting platform and turn it on.

Do you think it would be right for someone to get one of the hard draw tags for some of these prized hunts, then go out with a computerized gun to hunt? I believe this is the question.

 

[Rubberduck270]

Why you are poking fun at Huskemaw is beyond my comprehension.

It seems that's not the only thing. I have nothing against Huskymawmaw scopes. I just find it entertaining to call them Huskymawmaw :grin:

Your still not discussing my original question though...Joe Kool is exponentially becoming Common Joe so where do we draw the line?

Indeed they are, on the INTERNET. You are still missing the fact that none of those systems work as easily as they claim in the articles you've read. There are still entirely too many variables to deal with for it to be a "plug and chug" system as they are claiming.

I have never practiced any further than 400yds nor do I care to

Thanks for being honest with us. Just for the record though, when I read that statement the voice of Obama popped into my head. And it sounded more like this: "I.... have never practiced.... any further.... than 400 yrds.... nor do I care to"

Does this give me any credit in this sacred long range crowd of yours?

Nope.

In the end my "resume" is irrelevant

Indeed.

Go ask your Uncle and Brother how long their training was. Ask them how many classes they took on wind calls and environmental effects on their trajectory and poi. Ask how many shots they send down range to familiarize themselves with their equipment and its proper use.

But todays technology, by default, is increasing the range of everyone of us. Whether you agree, like or want it to...not sure why that is so hard for you to embrace?

Technology is increasing our range. No doubt. But what You are still failing to realize is NONE OF THIS IS AS EASY AS IT LOOKS. Sure, the iPad system looks like it has it all figured out. BUT, the wind reading it takes is at the rifle which is 1000 yrds away from the target. So that 1 mph wind reading they have is utterly useless past 200 yrds. Why do you think there are so many wind flags at long range shooting competitions? Ask your Brother and Uncle how they were trained to make a wind call.

I understand that for someone that's never dipped into the realm of long range hunting/shooting that it would all look simple on the surface, which is what the makers and marketers of these products want you to believe. Kudos to their marketing teams though, it's obviously working splendidly.

 

[AT Hiker]

And back to my original post, you have to make the shot.

Or do you?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024482/ ... ideo-.html

This discussion is a lost cause.

I guess it is then. Do you not believe a computer can now do the majority of the work for you? Technically in this case I guess you still have to pull the trigger.

I would say the user is more in control on those TX hunts where you hunt from your home computer than by actually using a Precision guided gun (PGG).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01270.html

Do you not believe the PGG is capable of such or are you trying to prove a different point that I am not picking up on?

All I am saying is that I believe the technology is growing exponentially. Therefore, will there be a time when a agency has to limit what can be used in the field as some already have with what I would call a more primitive technology.

Dont get me wrong, the type of long range shooting most of you are referring to is a skill learned, whether by a pro or through a lot of trial and error. But now we have technology (or very very close to having it) where that skill learned can all but be eliminated. If you chose to not agree with that, then do you think there will ever come a time where it is possible?

You took this conversation from shooting long distance with ease to a computer operated gun.

Yes but that is part of the point if I understand it right, when does it become to much for hunting? Should I be allowed to buy the computerized gun and go trophy elk hunting, or is this going to far?

You keep adding to it. You went from the average shooter to a computer operated gun. Like I said. It's a lost cause. And I stand by my original point. It comes down to making the shot

No the point is technology, not the shooter. Im standing by my thoughts that technology can take me and make me a good shooter, using a computer or whatever. I think it is basically here now, others say no way it still has a long way to go.

 

[AT Hiker]

Do you think it would be right for someone to get one of the hard draw tags for some of these prized hunts, then go out with a computerized gun to hunt? I believe this is the question.

I understand you, but we are the minority in this one. We think that technology is there and others disagree and are taking it to the grave.

Rubberduck,

Im going to ignore the comparison to Bo and go play a round of golf to release the stress

I really understand what you are saying though and Im trying to not argue that fact.

I did ask my neighbor (5th group intel warrant officer) and he said he heard about some testing going on with some technology that is crazy accurate for long range but wind is the biggest factor in real life condiditons and that call is still left up to the shooter, they are shooting 2,000 plus yards. I thought that was cool. He said the main reason for this type of technology is to give combat troops sniper capabilities without having to put them through the training, since very few infantry are trained accordingly and a sniper team is not always around when needed.

I will leave this be and agree to disagree, but the issue I think we can all agree on is long range shooting is becoming part of the hunting world.

With that, companies are marketing these items heavily and that puts a whole new breed of hunters afield. Subscribing to your thoughts... Maybe what we should be worried about are those not properly trained trying to attempt pop shots of 500 yards with a mzl and 1,000 yard rifle shots on game, that melts into the realm of ethics. That I agree with it.

 

[Rubberduck270]

Rubberduck,

Im going to ignore the comparison to Bo and go play a round of golf to release the stress

:grin: I would tell you why golf was invented but I bet it would be censored.

 

[Jcalder]

And back to my original post, you have to make the shot.

Or do you?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024482/ ... ideo-.html

This discussion is a lost cause.

I guess it is then. Do you not believe a computer can now do the majority of the work for you? Technically in this case I guess you still have to pull the trigger.

I would say the user is more in control on those TX hunts where you hunt from your home computer than by actually using a Precision guided gun (PGG).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01270.html

Do you not believe the PGG is capable of such or are you trying to prove a different point that I am not picking up on?

All I am saying is that I believe the technology is growing exponentially. Therefore, will there be a time when a agency has to limit what can be used in the field as some already have with what I would call a more primitive technology.

Dont get me wrong, the type of long range shooting most of you are referring to is a skill learned, whether by a pro or through a lot of trial and error. But now we have technology (or very very close to having it) where that skill learned can all but be eliminated. If you chose to not agree with that, then do you think there will ever come a time where it is possible?

You took this conversation from shooting long distance with ease to a computer operated gun.

Yes but that is part of the point if I understand it right, when does it become to much for hunting? Should I be allowed to buy the computerized gun and go trophy elk hunting, or is this going to far?

You keep adding to it. You went from the average shooter to a computer operated gun. Like I said. It's a lost cause. And I stand by my original point. It comes down to making the shot

No the point is technology, not the shooter. Im standing by my thoughts that technology can take me and make me a good shooter, using a computer or whatever. I think it is basically here now, others say no way it still has a long way to go.

You went from taking this scope thing and having it sent off to be calibrated at long distances. And after my post you added the computer guided gun. You want animals gps marked as well

 

[AT Hiker]

Jcalder,

There are a few Yellowstone wolfs that are GPS collard, If I could tell when they leave the park and enter fair game territory you bet I would be all over them!

This discussion has become so convoluted and has switched main topics so many times it has played out. I started with a modern muzzle loader and somehow ended with a $30k computer guided rifle (which is real btw).

Good news is I am thinking more and more about long range shooting, I just might take out a second mortgage and upgrade a few rifle!!!!!!!

Cheers

 

[ratsnakeboogy]

I can't believe I read all 7 pages of this thread.

:crazy: