Longe Range Muzzle loader...what do you think?

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A 700 yard muzzleloader with a Huskemaw scope can realistically shoot accurate out to 500 yards.

http://www.rwhart.com/store/products.asp?cat=15

What do you guys think? I think it is neat that they can shoot out that far, but it also takes a lot of the fun out. I just got back from stalking antelope in WY with a muzzleloader, and 99% of the fun was getting within 150 yards of those critters.

Now I see why some states do not allow scoped or traditional muzzleloaders.
 
Some have fun stalking and others have fun shooting. Just different types of hunting style. Make no mistake though, both types are challenging.
 
I agree, shooting 500 yards is a skill learned. But those Huskemaw scopes (with some proper rifle fitting) can take a rookie and have them hitting steel at 1000 yards with a .30 cal in one day. Technology is advancing pretty quickly in that realm.
 
Not sure what you mean, but yea I guess. Putting a stalk on is a lot more difficult than sitting at a bench with a custom tuned rifle that a professional built and all you have to do is pull the trigger.

Stalking a antelope in the wide open desert is not easy and when you can close that gap from 500 yards to within 200 you have done something, heck getting with 500 yards is sometimes an accomplishment of its own.

So is shooting a elk 500 yards across a canyon, not a lot of stalking skill needed on that one.

Im not bashing modern muzzleloading by no means, just amazed at the advancements in it and it got me thinking what some states are going to do about it...just as some states have outlawed inline scoped rifles.
 
AT Hiker said:
Putting a stalk on is a lot more difficult than sitting at a bench with a custom tuned rifle that a professional built and all you have to do is pull the trigger.
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I thought we were talking about long range hunting from a field position? Not sure about everyone else but I don't have a shooting bench set up that I can tote from stand to stand.

Not knocking the "stalking style" but not just anyone can successfully shoot something from 500 yrds away, especially with a ML.
 
A caldwell deadshot feildpod with a custom built rifle topped with a calibrated Huskemaw scope CAN have anyone shooting at 500 yards. Im not kidding, all they need is a someone to set up the rifle (for $1500 they will do it for you) and assuming weather conditions are acceptable the average hunter can shoot at that distance.

I didnt believe this either and year ago I would have agreed with you. Yes the muzzleloader has a lot more factors than the rifle, but I am confident under 400 yards anybody can make the shot.

Im speaking more of Western style hunting.
 
So for $1500 you can have someone setup a rifle for you to shoot 500 yrds, or for the same price you can have someone guide you to within 200 yrds of the same animal? Whats the difference?
 
IDK dude, thats not the point Im trying to make.

Just curious if you think there is or should be a limit on technology related to certain seasons, i.e. muzzleloading, archery, etc.
 
LOL, we go through this every year. Same debate on two levels: 1) the crossbows in archery season and 2) Modern/Smokeless MLs.

Why would we limit the weapons technology in a given season? We don't regulate what scent control methods that are used, or what camo patterns can be used or what treestands we use. Why go after the weapon?

If you don't like the long range style of hunting, by all means lay down a stalk on a deer and take him that way. Stalking not your cup of tea? Pull out your favorite gun and smoke him from a few hundred yards away. To each his own. Weapon regulations simply take away a hunters choice of how he would like to harvest an animal.

But as usual, we'll have a few chime in on how "unethical" and "unfair" it is to the deer that we shot him from that far away. Course they forget about all the technology that was used in the stalk to deliberately deceive the deers senses in order to get that close.
 
Well, luckily for some states and areas they think differently. CO has a primitive muzzle loader season for high demand trophy areas, these areas are very limited quota and offer virtually 0 rifle hunting opportunities while the mule deer are still in the area.

I personally just see this type of technology doing an injustice to muzzleloading, imagine if the technology goes too far and states say the heck with muzzleloading seasons and make it part of gun...how would that benefit muzzleloading?

FYI...I do not think long range muzzleloaders falls in line with the archery/x-bow debate nor does it apply to moder/smokeless ml's, I think this is a whole new level.

If you go to the NWTF show next year, I suggest you talk with someone at the Huskemaw booth. They might let you shoot their long range rifle, and if they have the range at Ingrams again you can shoot out to 1,000 yards...I promise you will hit stell by your third shot. Its really that easy.
 
AT Hiker said:
I personally just see this type of technology doing an injustice to muzzleloading, imagine if the technology goes too far and states say the heck with muzzleloading seasons and make it part of gun...how would that benefit muzzleloading?
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So limiting the technology that muzzleloaders have helps the sport of muzzleloading by placing a cap on how far technology can advance and be used in the field? Do you want them to do the same with archery equipment? "Ok boys, y'alls bows are fast and quiet enough, no more R&D for new equipment. We're just gonna sell the same stuff year after year from now on"

New technology is what keeps the industry and sport growing. I own 5 muzzleloaders. Of pretty much every type (except flintlock). Percussion, inline, smokeless conversion guns and full blown Custom Smokeless. No sense in me building a bigger and better ML if the "Man" says I can't use them.

With TN's current ML regulations, I can open my safe and choose to hunt with any of those 5 MLs at any point during the muzzleloading and gun season. Freedom of choice.
 
As long as one can tell what they're shooting at, I've got no problem with it. It was a problem for some friends when they were doing some doe management one year...apparently they shot some nice older bucks that had already shed their antlers b/c they couldn't tell the sex of the deer they were shooting at.
 
I find this thread funny. Huskemaw scope?? BDC??? Barrel band and a measly 2,600 fps???

Does it come with a cough silencer and butt out tool?

Luck...
 
A world full of sophisticated morons will never understand or accept the facts at hand or at least attempt to filter through the others logic. Forget I ever said anything or tried to have a discussion on a discussion forum, stupid me....

Thanks MUP for the response, as I agree with that. I also think that not knowing what is behind your target at 500 plus yards is a concern as well.
 
You'll have to excuse my sophisticated ignorance but I failed to see the point of your "logic".

Your message was clear, you believe long range muzzleloading is no fun and it cause states to do away with the dedicated season entirely. It's causing an "injustice" as you stated.

Some sophisticated morons (myself included) believe that it is an ever evolving sport that develops new technology everyday, yet is still bound to its primitive ancestry in being incapable of loading from the breech. It's still a muzzleloader. That's the whole point. It's not "primitive weapon" season, it's "Muzzleloading" season.

I attempted to discuss this entire matter with you but you seem to have thrown in the towel, or have possibly ran out of valid points to argue/discuss.
 
AT-

This moron has BTDT. I have the experience to say that set-up and your thinking anyone can do it is BS.

I have a muzzleloader kill at 326 and shoot with regularity to 450 (all the room I've got here in ETN).

We shoot bullets with poor bc's. Wind wrecks havoc on the most perfect of shots.

Not anyone can do it.

Luck-

Judd
 
I've been kicking around the idea of turning some boolits for those things. I reckon they're turned to a sharp point. The guys I know have complained about the rough finish on the ones they buy, no doubt contributing to the poor bc. A nice smooth boolit might find a niche in the market.
 
ewc said:
AT-

This moron has BTDT. I have the experience to say that set-up and your thinking anyone can do it is BS.

I have a muzzleloader kill at 326 and shoot with regularity to 450 (all the room I've got here in ETN).

We shoot bullets with poor bc's. Wind wrecks havoc on the most perfect of shots.

Not anyone can do it.

Luck-

Judd
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I guess tell that to the 25 people who shot 1,000 yards and were hitting steel on their 2-3 shots last Feb. Tell that to the makers of 700 yard mzl who set up a customer rifle and have them shooting well beyond 300 yards with ease.

I know first hand how the wind can wreck havoc on a mzl load, I just finished a WY hunt with 60mph gust and missed more than a few antelope. That doesnt change the fact that if I had enough money I could have paid someone to set up my mzl with turrets and all the logistics taped right there on my stock to tell me what to do under a given circumstance.

My point is mute though, its beyond recovery or discuss, the fact of the matter is that the technology is there and it is awesome and will only continue to improve. My original point is how far will we allow it to go in the hunting realm. R@D will always be there for shooting sports, but what will the limit on hunting be? Drones are outlawed in places, no lighted knocks in others, traditional open sight mzls in, etc, etc.

FYI...sophisticated moron was meant to be a oxymoron for not getting my point no matter how many times I tried to explain it.
 
AT Hiker said:
I guess tell that to the 25 people who shot 1,000 yards and were hitting steel on their 2-3 shots last Feb. Tell that to the makers of 700 yard mzl who set up a customer rifle and have them shooting well beyond 300 yards with ease
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So you personally know these 25 people or are you quoting a website?

If you know the wind is constant, dialing in their muzzleloader for that day would be easy. They DO THAT FOR YOU. You just pull a fn trigger. EASY and a SALES PITCH.

Total BS from you unless you can do it yourself.

FYI- I can and do. So my BS meter is off the fn chart with you. You have READ something, not done it.

Luck-
 
Huskemaw scope


some one has been watching the outdoor channel


i dont give a crap that scope cant do nothing a vx3 zeiss conquest nightforce swaro can do with target knobs

a good chrony and good ballistic program and a cheat sheet with mild wind and some one with a lil sense

i have killed with a 292 yd shot with my ml IMO it take a lot of pratice to hit any thing at 700 i dont care what scope or who sets it up
 
Hence my sophisticated moron statement, you are choosing to ignore the facts I give you...your choice not mine, pointless in discussing this.

However, to entertain you...
1.) I do not have cable, so any of the outdoor channels do not fill my daily entertainment schedule. Only this lovely internet and the occasional TN deer chat, which I sometimes wonder why I even do it because trying to have a mature and logical discussion is not always easy

2.) I actually know 3 of the 25 people who got to shoot at the one shot governors turkey hunt last year ( I did not shoot because I went home to my wife and baby), which is how I met one of the reps for Huskemaw.

3.) I am not trying to sell or promote these products, just trying to bring them to your attention to have a mature discussion. Which seems to be turning into a BS party and I am the surprise guest.

Yes I agree, hitting anything over 300 yards (I actually think 200 yards or more) with a mzl is tough and dang near impossible for most people, including myself. WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU IS...the technology is there that can now make it a realistic chance, with money of course. Im not talking heat seeking bullets here.

Will this technology guarantee you a shoot at 500+ yards with a mzl, NO. Normal field conditions do apply, but (a big ol fat but here) it does make it a real possibility. Do you see my point now? Hoards of long range mzl shooters heading to the field taking pop shots of 500+ yards, injuring game and possibly others. If they can realistically shoot that far the majority of the time and get lucky here and there in the field, then they are more likely apt to do it on a regular basis.

I think the problem I am having trying to convey my point across is because I am more into the Western hunting thing, this exposes me more to the long range shooting crowd.

I assume you did check out the link? That sort of shows the 500 yard mythical mzl I am talking about.
 
Deer Assassin said:
i dont give a crap that scope cant do nothing a vx3 zeiss conquest nightforce swaro can do with target knobs
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Your right, nightforce is top notch. My point about Huskemaw is that they will set up your rifle with their scope, that is the big difference. Yes, you can get these other scopes adjusted and setup accordingly too Im sure but they are not marketing them as such.
 
The point you are trying to convey has changed 3 times. First it was " I think it is neat that they can shoot out that far, but it also takes a lot of the fun out", then you jumped over to "I personally just see this type of technology doing an injustice to muzzleloading" and how the technology is going to cause states to do away with ML season all together and now you've jumped to "injuring game and possibly others" with equipment you stated at the top of the thread could "can take a rookie and have them hitting steel at 1000 yards with a .30 cal in one day".

So we have come full circle in you seeing my original point of it's not as easy as it looks on tv. Not just anyone can write a check for a gun, take it to the field and hit something that far away. Sure you can sit up on a hillside and lob a few at them but without practicing with that Huskymawmaw scope, you're just pissing in the wind.
 
ewc said:
AT-

This moron has BTDT. I have the experience to say that set-up and your thinking anyone can do it is BS.

I have a muzzleloader kill at 326 and shoot with regularity to 450 (all the room I've got here in ETN).

We shoot bullets with poor bc's. Wind wrecks havoc on the most perfect of shots.

Not anyone can do it.

Luck-

Judd
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it can be learned easy by anyone and it is real easy when someone can pay to have a gun set up for it. if you learned it I am sure others can.
 
mathews338 said:
it can be learned easy by anyone and it is real easy when someone can pay to have a gun set up for it.
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Just because the gun can do it doesn't mean the shooter can. Making a wind call for a 500+ yrd shot with a low bc bullet at 2600 fps is a nightmare.
 

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