Is woodsmanship and turkey hunting part of a persons DNA?

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I'm going to try and explain this in writing but A) I'm not the best writer and B) this is much easier of a topic to just sit around and talk about verbally…...either way I'll try and see If I can present it in a way that makes sense.

I was listening to a podcast the other day (Spring Legion) and they got on this subject and had some good points, so I really got me thinking about it.

Is turkey hunting/woodmanship a learned skill or is it just in your DNA? Let me be clear in that I think most anyone can get better or learn the more they have experience with it BUT I've also known guys that have deer hunted or been in the woods for YEARS, but I feel still lacks woodsmanship skills. Im not implying that deer hunting is easier or doesn't require it, just that IMO turkey hunting really puts those skills to the test on a much higher level.

I generally don't hunt with many people, not on purpose or anything, just 1-2 buddies Ive always hunted with, and we have done it so long we have this unspoken language in the woods where we know what each other is thinking and we kind of fill in each other's weaknesses. Over the years I just haven't met guys or buddies of mine that really cared much about turkey hunting or they are just the type that are interested in going once or twice but don't know anything about it so they just wait on me to tell them what to do and where to sit (which is totally fine). Recently however I have started to branch out more and hunt more states with different guys, these experiences are what really got me thinking about that podcast.

It just seems some guys are born with the understanding of woodsmanship or the instinct and understanding of the woods and how to interact with it to become part of it vs some others. Yes, experience and failures improved those skills, but it just feels some guys foundation starts a lot higher than others. They have a much higher ability to understand animal behavior, biology, and how it all interacts with the land. They somehow "see" things that others don't and have an instinctive way of always surveying their surroundings subconsciously and processing it. They are hyper focused on the minute details of turkey hunting but its almost instinctive vs a thought process or learned behavior. Again, it's very difficult for me to put on paper to explain vs verbal interaction but man I really noticed it more hunting with new people these past 3 years. Some of those buddies have been in the woods most of their life yet miss a lot of those small details. Some of them haven't been in the woods nearly as long as the others yet it just seems to come natural to them and I learn something from them just watching them.

I want to be very clear in that I'm no pro and I have been busted or failed at turkey hunting over the years every way you can think of hah. I'm also not saying I don't like hunting with people from all ends of the spectrum. I just enjoy being in the turkey woods and sharing that experience with folks of all skill levels. I love sharing my experiences and knowledge with people that are less experienced and I LOVE watching and learning from people with more than I have.

I have just always felt at easy and a sense of calm in the woods. It always seemed natural to me, so much so I knew at a YOUNG age I wanted to go into wildlife biology and forestry. It was just something that always "made sense" to me and I never really wanted to do anything other than that field. Ive always been able to just notice things in the woods or this odd sense of envisioning where and why deer or turkey would be in certain places or coming to and from places. Sure experience, education, and knowledge of the terrain help and heightens that but It's almost like a 6th​ sense or ive somehow seen it happen already….IDK if that makes sense or how to really explain it.



I really don't know if all this makes sense and hopefully it doesn't come across like Im some master woodsman or something because I can assure you im not lol. That podcast just got me really thinking about the subject and looking back at all the people I've hunted or spent time with in the woods and just realized I honestly believe that some aspect of woodsmanship and how it ties into hunting game (turkey specifically) is part of people's DNA or a gift a person is given from God. Some people have the gift of singing, serving others, cooking etc and some guys are just born woodsman and turkey hunters.



Would love to know others thoughts or experiences.
 
Yes and Yes. I agree 100% with you. Some folks have it, some never get it, and some learn it along the way. I think the ones that have it and learn it along the way are the ones that pay attention to detail, learn from mistakes, take their time to analyze and "over think" a situation, and truly enjoy walking with nature and not walking through nature.
I have hunted with many of friends but would rather be alone in the woods. Not that I don't enjoy the company, but like to hunt/enjoy at my pace. On the other hand, I do have a few friends that I will occasionally hunt with because I always learn something from them. I take notes on those occasions.
 
All I know is it isnt in my DNA.

It took me 20 years turkey hunting to get good at it, but didnt get what I would consider really good until after 30 years turkey hunting.

Now, I finally have the same confidence level these 20-something year olds on you tube have.

I've hunted some or all of 16 days so far this MS season. I've heard exactly 3 birds gobble in that time (when hunting for myself... ive called in birds for others). 2 are no longer part of this world, and the third ones days are getting very, very short.
 
Yes and yes. I think some are born with it some have learned it through experience, I would also say many are a mixture of both. Imo its the difference in a hunter and a killer. Thats blunt and harsh but it applies to both turkey and deer. I also think those people that have a great mentor grandfather, dad whoever can pick those skills up quicker. Im actually the opposite thinking I think its harder to kill mature deer regularly then turkeys. Even though I get my butt kicked plenty by both. I do think if turkeys could smell like deer they would be one of the hardest animals to kill in the United States. The whitetail nose is why I give them a slight edge. I think most serious turkey hunters have hunted with regularl turkey hunters and the differences are very apparent but that same thing is in the deer world as well. Ill also say I think woodmanship is an art that is dieing.
 
My opinion…

Is that it comes more natural to some than others. Pretty undeniable by what I've seen. However, to be "good" at both it requires a pretty hefty discipline. Getting out there. Spending time. Trying things. I try not to limit myself with obstacles when they arise because my time is limited. Going the long way, going up or down steep grades, extreme weather, etc…. That component takes a desire to succeed that is either in you or not.
 
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Good topic. My opinion follows..

I've sort of had a saying that hunting and woodsmanship skills are in your genes. But you have to practice at it to figure it out. The greatest athletes in the world have God given ability and body size. However, they work at it extremely hard. Turkey hunting is the same. Bass fishing, deer hunting, everything.

We are all given talents by God, but it is up to us to learn how to use them.

Woodsmanship skills is no different. I too, have had close friends try to pick up hunting. 30 years later and they still do odd mistakes. They still don't know what even a white oak is. Maybe they don't care enough to fix them? If that is the case, then that tells me it's in their DNA to not want to try and get better.

I knew most every tree by middle school. Because my dad taught me and I had the desire to listen. Every song bird, every freshwater fish, all the weeds and bugs. (No I actually don't know all of them but I studied horticulture, etymology, forestry, wildlife ecology, in Masters classes in grad school.)

Whatever it is, DNA or not, I got the itch when I was four catching bluegill on a pond. Been playing in the woods and water ever since. Wild turkey hunting and management went next level though. There is no sport compared to calling up and getting a shot at a gobbler, just between you and him. No decoys or cheat codes. Just calling him up into gun range on his terms with WOODSMANSHIP skills….
I get more joy from promoting habitat on my place for turkeys. I do all sorts of habitat improvements and that is my main focus.

Out of the dozen or so people that I personally know that proclaim to be turkey hunters, only 3 of them are true bloods. The other 8-10, although friends, are googans in the turkey woods. And I'd about bet my house that one or two of those guys cripple one or two opening day.

I don't know if my DNA instructs my brain, heart, and soul to love hunting, but something does.
 
Yes and yes. I think some are born with it some have learned it through experience, I would also say many are a mixture of both. Imo its the difference in a hunter and a killer. Thats blunt and harsh but it applies to both turkey and deer. I also think those people that have a great mentor grandfather, dad whoever can pick those skills up quicker. Im actually the opposite thinking I think its harder to kill mature deer regularly then turkeys. Even though I get my butt kicked plenty by both. I do think if turkeys could smell like deer they would be one of the hardest animals to kill in the United States. The whitetail nose is why I give them a slight edge. I think most serious turkey hunters have hunted with regularl turkey hunters and the differences are very apparent but that same thing is in the deer world as well. Ill also say I think woodmanship is an art that is dieing.
agree with A LOT of what your saying especially the last part. I tried to not put apples to apples on deer vs turkey because its just different in that deer is measured by age and rack where turkey is measured in adult or not.

However Im not so much meaning which is easier to kill or even measuring success ultimately as a kill. Im leaning into the skills to be just successful, my opinion is turkey hunting requires more woodsmanship skills. Its also my opinion that "success" in the turkey world isnt tied to a kill in the end. Im also speaking into traditional turkey hunting, sure you can go sit on a food plot or spot for 6 hours and one prob will come walking by, but that doesn't require a lot of woodsmanship to achieve (not dumping on people that hunt them that way) its just the honest truth. You drop me in an area with deer I will kill one in a few days, however you drop me into a property with 1 adult turkey and I may spend all year trying to get that sucker and have numerous encounters and sightings of it but due to range limitations and how I would hunt him It may or may not happen. Sure if we change that to a 4+ year old buck vs an adult turkey the playing field gets WAY closer if not shifts to the deer. He may not move 1 time in daylight hours the whole season.
However Im not meaning this as a debate as to which animal or which type of hunter is better. I dont mean it that way at all.
 
It's why bag limits will never significantly affect turkey populations - very few hunters have the skill to kill even 1 a year much less 2 and 3-4 are all but unreachable. I've turkey hunted almost 40 years but before turkeys (for me specifically there was squirrels) squirrel hunting is one of the greatest development of woodsmanship IMO. Woodsmanship can be learned to a degree but there is also some natural abilities just like a kid learning to play baseball - no amount of pitching/hitting lessons can make up for what God has given you talent wise. Now with the introduction of Reaping and full strut decoys the learning how to really turkey hunt has taken a hit. To answer the question yes there are people just more talented at killing turkeys and there's no podcast, TV or YouTube show that is going to get the others to that level.
 
It's why bag limits will never significantly affect turkey populations - very few hunters have the skill to kill even 1 a year much less 2 and 3-4 are all but unreachable. I've turkey hunted almost 40 years but before turkeys (for me specifically there was squirrels) squirrel hunting is one of the greatest development of woodsmanship IMO. Woodsmanship can be learned to a degree but there is also some natural abilities just like a kid learning to play baseball - no amount of pitching/hitting lessons can make up for what God has given you talent wise. Now with the introduction of Reaping and full strut decoys the learning how to really turkey hunt has taken a hit. To answer the question yes there are people just more talented at killing turkeys and there's no podcast, TV or YouTube show that is going to get the others to that level.

you make a great point I hadnt even thought about and thats squirrel hunting but thats kinda what I was talking about. Guys that are true woodsman are just great hunters it doesnt matter the game they are hunting. They may not know anything about rabbit hunting or turkey hunting but give them time and the space to do it on and they just figure it out quickly because their innate ability to just understand the woods and how to use them just kinda comes naturally
 
agree with A LOT of what your saying especially the last part. I tried to not put apples to apples on deer vs turkey because its just different in that deer is measured by age and rack where turkey is measured in adult or not.

However Im not so much meaning which is easier to kill or even measuring success ultimately as a kill. Im leaning into the skills to be just successful, my opinion is turkey hunting requires more woodsmanship skills. Its also my opinion that "success" in the turkey world isnt tied to a kill in the end. Im also speaking into traditional turkey hunting, sure you can go sit on a food plot or spot for 6 hours and one prob will come walking by, but that doesn't require a lot of woodsmanship to achieve (not dumping on people that hunt them that way) its just the honest truth. You drop me in an area with deer I will kill one in a few days, however you drop me into a property with 1 adult turkey and I may spend all year trying to get that sucker and have numerous encounters and sightings of it but due to range limitations and how I would hunt him It may or may not happen. Sure if we change that to a 4+ year old buck vs an adult turkey the playing field gets WAY closer if not shifts to the deer. He may not move 1 time in daylight hours the whole season.
However Im not meaning this as a debate as to which animal or which type of hunter is better. I dont mean it that way at all.
I agree 100 percent. I didnt mean to turn it into one or the other either. For me as I am a mature deer hunter and also a giant turkey hunter. Its hard not to intertwine the two. I personally think the woodsmanship are very important on both and also many people lack on both. But I will 100 percent agree with people lack them with turkeys more then deer it seems. To many people think turkeys are stupid, if assume because they are seen frequently.
 
It's why bag limits will never significantly affect turkey populations - very few hunters have the skill to kill even 1 a year much less 2 and 3-4 are all but unreachable. I've turkey hunted almost 40 years but before turkeys (for me specifically there was squirrels) squirrel hunting is one of the greatest development of woodsmanship IMO. Woodsmanship can be learned to a degree but there is also some natural abilities just like a kid learning to play baseball - no amount of pitching/hitting lessons can make up for what God has given you talent wise. Now with the introduction of Reaping and full strut decoys the learning how to really turkey hunt has taken a hit. To answer the question yes there are people just more talented at killing turkeys and there's no podcast, TV or YouTube show that is going to get the others to that level.
Bag limits wouldnt be near as crucial if they would outlaw decoys!! Alot of them couldnt kill a bird with out them
 
What a great thread. OP and replies are all spot on and I'm on the same team as what pretty much everyone has said.

I think it's like any other *talent where everyone has a different baseline and that baseline can be improved with effort but some folks may never really be great while others will always be head and shoulders above the rest.

I also think growing up with access to the outdoors makes a big difference. I spent my entire childhood in the woods or on farms and it just gives you a different ear and eye for things than someone who spent their developmental years in a neighborhood. But same as OP, I know plenty of guys who grew up outside and they still don't have "it". I also know a good bit of guys who are very interested in getting outside and getting into hunting but put zero effort or practice into it. They want me to take them out and of course I typically oblige but it can be frustrating. Turkey hunting simply requires a level of woodsmanship that can't be learned opening morning each year. Whatever they think still and quiet is is never close enough. They don't know how to step through leaves or water or whisper without your voice carrying. I've called up multiple birds for buddies who didn't think he got close enough despite him being at 15 steps or who didn't see him slip up to their 10 o'clock because they're just locked in looking straight ahead. Hell last friday I was hunting with a good friend who forgot his hat 2 days in a row so he was just gone pull his mask (that I provided) up to his forehead and look through it if we got on a bird. Well we get on one and get sat down, 4 big toms come to bout 50 yards and check us out then keep piddling along without coming in. I look over and buddy has the front of the mask up on the bridge of his nose and the back side pulled over his hair so you see one big ole white eye/forehead area about the size of your hand. Now this is my brother in law and he and I have been near inseparable for a decade and he can hunt mature bucks better than I ever will, he's a killer and knows the woods in a lot of ways. But somehow it doesn't translate at all to turkeys.

I think woodsmanship and turkey DNA are seperate things but the best turkey hunters have that woodsmanship in them. But there's just something different about guys who have gotten bit by the turkey bug. To quote dean redbeard mundhenke, it's like a disease. I also agree about squirrel hunting giving you a great start on learning the woods.

As far as the decoys and what not, I think decoys and blinds should be legal just for how it helps real young children, senior hunters, or folks with disabilities still get out there and enjoy turkey hunting when they can't necessarily get out and move or sit still enough. Now full strut decoys and ESPECIALLY reaping fans, get rid of em. Or make it only legal on high fence areas where you're already just shooting something in a pen. There's just nothing to be gained from that. At least if you're hunting over decoys out of a blind you have to learn patience or how to tell if he's close enough. Reaping is the ultimate easy button to get a cheap kill and I just can't stand the lack of integrity with that.
 
I DONT KNOW!!!
I thought I was a killer.
I tagged out every year in Tn since I started hunting Turkeys in 1998.
I moved to Al. I admit haven't spent much time in the woods. I have not deer hunted here at all. I've been on turkeys, I have not sealed the deal. I have been struggling with these woods turkeys. I haven't figured out how they use pine forests, Hills and hollers around here. In Tn I killed every turkey but a handful in fields.
during my time in the woods I could have tagged out every year in deer and pigs!
 
I compare turkey hunting to playing chess. I will admit, I don't have a clue how to play chess but I understand the big picture of the game. You have to know your opponents next move before they make it. You have to think ahead of your next move and apply all options/scenarios to your current move. Turkey hunting is the exact way. There are so many options, especially when applying woodsmanship, that need to be thought of before you even make a call or sit down. That is why it is so addictive.
 
What a great thread. OP and replies are all spot on and I'm on the same team as what pretty much everyone has said.

I think it's like any other *talent where everyone has a different baseline and that baseline can be improved with effort but some folks may never really be great while others will always be head and shoulders above the rest.

I also think growing up with access to the outdoors makes a big difference. I spent my entire childhood in the woods or on farms and it just gives you a different ear and eye for things than someone who spent their developmental years in a neighborhood. But same as OP, I know plenty of guys who grew up outside and they still don't have "it".

Another great point. Fully agree that growing up in the outdoors makes a big difference and having mentors along the way also can play a big role in nurturing that gift. However I still think there's just something a bit deeper then just experience. Me for example, I grew up in Destin Florida but my parents were divorced since I was a baby. My dad lived in Alabama and we have family land up there I cut my teeth on HUNTiNG wise. However I spent most of my childhood (till I was 18) in NW florida. I didn't really ever hunt down there but I was in the woods and in the outdoors a lot but more from a recreational standpoint. Obviously the habitat and terrain is vastly different then in Alabama but I never really felt I was out of place in one environment vs another. At the end of the day I just thought of it as woods and while I had different obstacles and terrain in each I never mentally really thought of it as different. I could wander around for hours and somehow still kinda know my way back and where I was. I could easily remember areas and specific terrain features or even specific trees.

I know part of this and replies are about the actual hunting aspect of it which is fair and definitely part of the conversation because I understand both are intertwined. I also understand there are A LOT of variables in this conversation like public vs private land for example but I just believe to my core that some people are just born with knowledge they cannot explain and tools when it comes to woodsmanship that others just do not possess. I personally have never met what I consider to be an elite "hunter" that wasnt a master woodsman first and foremost and it was those skills that made them the hunter they are.
 
Another great point. Fully agree that growing up in the outdoors makes a big difference and having mentors along the way also can play a big role in nurturing that gift. However I still think there's just something a bit deeper then just experience. Me for example, I grew up in Destin Florida but my parents were divorced since I was a baby. My dad lived in Alabama and we have family land up there I cut my teeth on HUNTiNG wise. However I spent most of my childhood (till I was 18) in NW florida. I didn't really ever hunt down there but I was in the woods and in the outdoors a lot but more from a recreational standpoint. Obviously the habitat and terrain is vastly different then in Alabama but I never really felt I was out of place in one environment vs another. At the end of the day I just thought of it as woods and while I had different obstacles and terrain in each I never mentally really thought of it as different. I could wander around for hours and somehow still kinda know my way back and where I was. I could easily remember areas and specific terrain features or even specific trees.

I know part of this and replies are about the actual hunting aspect of it which is fair and definitely part of the conversation because I understand both are intertwined. I also understand there are A LOT of variables in this conversation like public vs private land for example but I just believe to my core that some people are just born with knowledge they cannot explain and tools when it comes to woodsmanship that others just do not possess. I personally have never met what I consider to be an elite "hunter" that wasnt a master woodsman first and foremost and it was those skills that made them the hunter they are.
Don't get me wrong I agree with what you're saying about that level of getting it that some folks just have and others don't. There's no doubt about it to me
 
What a great thread. OP and replies are all spot on and I'm on the same team as what pretty much everyone has said.

I think it's like any other *talent where everyone has a different baseline and that baseline can be improved with effort but some folks may never really be great while others will always be head and shoulders above the rest.

I also think growing up with access to the outdoors makes a big difference. I spent my entire childhood in the woods or on farms and it just gives you a different ear and eye for things than someone who spent their developmental years in a neighborhood. But same as OP, I know plenty of guys who grew up outside and they still don't have "it". I also know a good bit of guys who are very interested in getting outside and getting into hunting but put zero effort or practice into it. They want me to take them out and of course I typically oblige but it can be frustrating. Turkey hunting simply requires a level of woodsmanship that can't be learned opening morning each year. Whatever they think still and quiet is is never close enough. They don't know how to step through leaves or water or whisper without your voice carrying. I've called up multiple birds for buddies who didn't think he got close enough despite him being at 15 steps or who didn't see him slip up to their 10 o'clock because they're just locked in looking straight ahead. Hell last friday I was hunting with a good friend who forgot his hat 2 days in a row so he was just gone pull his mask (that I provided) up to his forehead and look through it if we got on a bird. Well we get on one and get sat down, 4 big toms come to bout 50 yards and check us out then keep piddling along without coming in. I look over and buddy has the front of the mask up on the bridge of his nose and the back side pulled over his hair so you see one big ole white eye/forehead area about the size of your hand. Now this is my brother in law and he and I have been near inseparable for a decade and he can hunt mature bucks better than I ever will, he's a killer and knows the woods in a lot of ways. But somehow it doesn't translate at all to turkeys.

I think woodsmanship and turkey DNA are seperate things but the best turkey hunters have that woodsmanship in them. But there's just something different about guys who have gotten bit by the turkey bug. To quote dean redbeard mundhenke, it's like a disease. I also agree about squirrel hunting giving you a great start on learning the woods.

As far as the decoys and what not, I think decoys and blinds should be legal just for how it helps real young children, senior hunters, or folks with disabilities still get out there and enjoy turkey hunting when they can't necessarily get out and move or sit still enough. Now full strut decoys and ESPECIALLY reaping fans, get rid of em. Or make it only legal on high fence areas where you're already just shooting something in a pen. There's just nothing to be gained from that. At least if you're hunting over decoys out of a blind you have to learn patience or how to tell if he's close enough. Reaping is the ultimate easy button to get a cheap kill and I just can't stand the lack of integrity with that.
Absolutely.

So many times I've called up birds for folks. They can't figure out how to get ready. Sometimes I'm harsh about it. Like get ready and listen and look!! Look wide view not tunnel visioned.


I have done best by sitting right next to the guy I'm with. I've even sat behind them with my hand on their shoulder guiding them on where I think he sticks his head up.


And some folks ain't even upset if they spook them or miss or whatever. It absolutely tears me up, just like losing a football game.
So I take steps to avoid losing the game.

Turkey hunting on the birds rules and terms cannot be replicated by any other sport.
 
Absolutely.

So many times I've called up birds for folks. They can't figure out how to get ready. Sometimes I'm harsh about it. Like get ready and listen and look!! Look wide view not tunnel visioned.


I have done best by sitting right next to the guy I'm with. I've even sat behind them with my hand on their shoulder guiding them on where I think he sticks his head up.


And some folks ain't even upset if they spook them or miss or whatever. It absolutely tears me up, just like losing a football game.
So I take steps to avoid losing the game.

Turkey hunting on the birds rules and terms cannot be replicated by any other sport.

hahaha if you have ever been forced to sit through realizing you are in an ant bed or ticks and mosquitos are all over you but you hold firm and endure the pain cause he just needs to cover 10 more yard then you have my respect and have experienced a turkey hunters worst nightmare :)
 
Well hunting is in my DNA because my father's people all hunted as well as my mother's. I guess it's in all if you want to put it use.
 
"You like it dont you? Tracking, hunting, killing, to an indian it just comes natural" or something like that anyway. its a Jeremiah Johnson quote. Ive took tons of people turkey hunting, and I cant count the times that Ive had the tag along hunter ask me "why did you do that?" or "how did you know he would come to right here?" Honestly, when they do that, its hard for me to give them an answer in words.
Now dont get me wrong, It was NEVER easy, it still isnt, but Ive been chasing these things since 1984 and every hunt that didnt produce was a learning exercise. And after enough lessons taught by the masters, the turkeys, you learn things, you pick up on things, and those things apply to turkeys anywhere.
 
Killing yugo... part of my DNA.
A natural great turkey hunter... not so much.

But im gonna work harder than 99% of the folks out there. And that's what makes me better than average.

Im fine with being better than average. There is no 'quit' when it comes to turkeys.
 

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