Stovepipe, I understand their concern. I worked with the Forest Service during the summers through high school where I helped maintain trails and shelters and did similar work in other places during college. I have the same degree that many rangers have. My problems was this guy's attitude. I have seen similar attitudes with others, not all by any means, but some. For some reason they have all been federal. It's almost as if it is "their" park so you had better watch your step. In my education it was emphasized that you try not to alienate people, you need them on your side. But you're also taught to manage them was what he probably was trying to do. I just didn't appreciate his arrogance or approach. As for off the trail, unless it is designated as a sensitive or closed area, I go where I want to go. Catch me if you can. ;)