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just want to do a small survey....the trend happens every year for me. I see my best deer of the year on 1st time sits. I reflected back on 2015 and the same held true. I saw 5 bucks were 3.5 yrs or older that Id had loved to shoot. One I let walk at 17 yds but hines sight is 20/20. 4 of the 5 bucks were on stands that I've sat for the first time. The 5th buck was on a 2nd sit and no deer was seen after the 2nd sit and hunting pressure forced me to abandon that spot. after 5 more sits in it. But back to the main topic, 1st time sits. I truely believe a hunter has only a few chances at a decent buck on public land before the window is closed. An exception to the rule is the rut. You get bucks running through daily so in essence you would be sitting there the 1st time for each new buck. Anyone else experience this? Private land is different I would assume but I wouldn't know, never hunted any.
 
Depends for me. Typically I have my stand sets pre-determined and only hunt them when I feel conditions are right. In these cases I have a few sits before mature deer quit using them.

When I go in blind is when I see mature deer for the first time and rarely see them again if I go back to the same spot. I think thats weird, its prob random dumb luck that I seen one to begin with.


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I had a terrible year as far as mature buck sightings go and I only hunt private land but the encounter I had with my target buck came on a first time set this year as well as every mature doe harvest I had this year. Last year and the year before I killed mature bucks out of stands that were hunted maybe 3 times prior but again this is on low pressure private land in somewhat urban areas


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I killed a 4.5 year old and 5.5 year old both on third sits this past season. Both bucks were following does but also both spots were similar setups. The trees are on bluffs were I'm 50 ft over the trail with the wind to the deer's advantage. Additionally, my access is such that the wind is to my advantage and I can enter without noise or touching anything. I carry my stand in each time. The reason first sits are so important is due to the element of surprise. In most cases, once you hunt the spot you have tainted the area due to the access or spreading scent. You can minimize the impact but not eliminate it. If you focus on minimalization you can hunt multiple times which greatly increases your odds on good bucks.
 
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I use to notice this more when I almost exclusively bow hunted. Much of it has to do with entry and exit to the stand site I believe. I also noticed that if a stand site went sour that sometimes all I had to do was move 50 to 100 yards and I'd be right back on them again. I almost never hunt the same stand two days in a row. If I hunt a certain stand I try to give it a minimum of 3 to 4 days before hunting it again, and only if the wind and conditions are right.
 
darn2ten":jq65s96s said:
I use to notice this more when I almost exclusively bow hunted. Much of it has to do with entry and exit to the stand site I believe. I also noticed that if a stand site went sour that sometimes all I had to do was move 50 to 100 yards and I'd be right back on them again. I almost never hunt the same stand two days in a row. If I hunt a certain stand I try to give it a minimum of 3 to 4 days before hunting it again, and only if the wind and conditions are right.

noticed the same thing.....in fairchasers instance during the rut nearly every buck seen is a first time sit case because of the new buck unfamiliar with the area cruising through. I find it highlty interesting though that this instance is consistent with other members
 
TN Whitetail Freak":3hndrmpz said:
muddyboots":3hndrmpz said:
I used to believe. Now I'm just as confident on any sit. 1st or 10th.

You say you used to believe. What changed that? Is this on pressured land?


I hunt on a lease. I'm just as liable to kill on 10th sit as first. I believe my entry exit much more important. I look at it like I have decided to hunt here at this spot because I believe it to a good one so there fore I'm gonna hunt it as much as I think it is a good spot. My wife and I spent last Saturday and we need one more day to set the spots we want to hunt next year. I'll have about 3 what I call killing spots. I'll hunt those any day I think it will b good. I killed on dec 6th this yr. probably 15 th sit on that stand.
 
This is intersting topic. On my what I call good lease my buddy and I have what we call killing trees. We have about 2 a piece. We don't hunt these stands at all til last week October. My buddy tagged out on his #1 spot. A 120 8 point and a 129 8 point. Killed on same stand. I killed dec 6 th on my best tree a 134 9 point about the 15 th time I hunt that spot this year. As I reflect back to years gone back it seems most mature bucks on that lease have came from a handful of trees. I leave my stands all year and don't go to them until I walk in and hunt them so I guess u coujd say that is first time in and I do kill on 1st sit occasionally. But if I didn't hunt those spots anymore I would have missed some good deer. I believe hunt a good stand until it ain't good no more. Lol.
 
muddyboots":1f3vfmt5 said:
This is intersting topic. On my what I call good lease my buddy and I have what we call killing trees. We have about 2 a piece. We don't hunt these stands at all til last week October. My buddy tagged out on his #1 spot. A 120 8 point and a 129 8 point. Killed on same stand. I killed dec 6 th on my best tree a 134 9 point about the 15 th time I hunt that spot this year. As I reflect back to years gone back it seems most mature bucks on that lease have came from a handful of trees. I leave my stands all year and don't go to them until I walk in and hunt them so I guess u coujd say that is first time in and I do kill on 1st sit occasionally. But if I didn't hunt those spots anymore I would have missed some good deer. I believe hunt a good stand until it ain't good no more. Lol.


dont get me wrong im not saying this is concrete...theres going to be exceptions....and cases that go against the grain but in those cases iim going to THEORIZE and i stress THEORIZE there is an a factor that affects its EXCEPTION. but hey that's why i made the thread for good ole discussion.
 
In stands, ladder,lock ons, etc I agree with the first sit
We put up a ladder this year mid morning this year and 151" 8 ptr killed out of it with
A bow.

But I have found with my shooting houses, Redneck and Surperior Fiberglass ones
we have started killing 4.5yr old bucks out of them even after 4-5 hunts. But
still low pressure, no atvs, keeping windows close, quite entry's makes a difference
 
landman":1h78zhlk said:
In stands, ladder,lock ons, etc I agree with the first sit
We put up a ladder this year mid morning this year and 151" 8 ptr killed out of it with
A bow.

But I have found with my shooting houses, Redneck and Surperior Fiberglass ones
we have started killing 4.5yr old bucks out of them even after 4-5 hunts. But
still low pressure, no atvs, keeping windows close, quite entry's makes a difference


you can send me an invite anytime for real lol i will not be mad lol....i hang around the paris area
 
I agree that the first time is probably your best chance, but I either kill nice bucks or screw up a chance (shoot tree limbs, make a bad shot and miss, not pay attention for just a second, get busted because I move at wrong time, etc.) at a nice buck when I hunt a stand every single day for many days in a row. Stand location plays a role in whether or not you can hunt a spot everyday also.
 
Headhunter":27c9pa2o said:
I agree that the first time is probably your best chance, but I either kill nice bucks or screw up a chance (shoot tree limbs, make a bad shot and miss, not pay attention for just a second, get busted because I move at wrong time, etc.) at a nice buck when I hunt a stand every single day for many days in a row. Stand location plays a role in whether or not you can hunt a spot everyday also.


imo not that if matters, is hunting pressure plays a HUGE roll on whether or not the number of times you can hunt a spot
 
The older a deer gets the quicker it will avoid a area that it has seen some body in,it may be a 50y change in route or it may be a 500y move,the topography will determine how much distance he will stay away from that spot and how hunter shy he is, some times it drives them nocturnal
 
That does bring up an interesting point I also leave my stands up year round may add to the stock but I do leave them.up year round. Entrance and exits are extremely important also.
 
"fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me". It's possible that if you booger up an area or tip a buck off he may not return to that area again very soon. It's also possible that another nearby hunter has bumped a buck off his normal travel pattern by your stand and re-routed his traveling. The first sit could also coincide with the only time a certain buck uses the travel route passing by you. Really there's no way to tell for sure unless you actually see the same deer on multiple sits or have camera footage to back it up. I would think that more locations are "fouled" up by hunters after their first sits than not. Still, there are spots that produce consistently and I suspect it's because of hunters being very cautious and/or terrain features that tend to funnel most movement in that direction.
 
We have "killing" tress on all of our farms there seems to be that one or two spots that just produce year in and year out. I will also say this when I talk about first sits I mean same stands in a different year like I said we don't take our stands down. I think the most important thing is putting the odds in your favors entrance exits wind weather if possible timing we don't hunt our best spots til start of ml season in and around the rut. I think a lot of time pressure has a lot to do with how many sits you can have at a particular stand we try to move around and not put much pressure on our farms that seems to really help is out also.
 
muddyboots":2e6m50yx said:
This is intersting topic. On my what I call good lease my buddy and I have what we call killing trees. We have about 2 a piece. We don't hunt these stands at all til last week October. My buddy tagged out on his #1 spot. A 120 8 point and a 129 8 point. Killed on same stand. I killed dec 6 th on my best tree a 134 9 point about the 15 th time I hunt that spot this year. As I reflect back to years gone back it seems most mature bucks on that lease have came from a handful of trees. I leave my stands all year and don't go to them until I walk in and hunt them so I guess u coujd say that is first time in and I do kill on 1st sit occasionally. But if I didn't hunt those spots anymore I would have missed some good deer. I believe hunt a good stand until it ain't good no more. Lol.
There's a lot of truth to this statement...I have scouted with other hunters on properties to look for movement and possible stand locations. They might find a great set and it may continue to be a great set for other hunts. The biggest problem I see is laziness and impatience. Meaning they will not take the proper entry and exit route precautions, they won't wait for optimal conditions for that set (especially if they have a good buck on camera there) and lastly if they don't see anything on the first set they want to "scout" the area when they get down to see what changed when in reality nothing changed the deer pattern until the blew the area up with scent!!!


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It's all about entrance and exit routes. You can hunt a stand 15 times if you only hunt it on the right wind and have a bullet proof entrance and exit.

If you hunt it with the wrong wind and you have a bad entrance and exit you are killing your present and without a doubt your future success.

I killed a buck I've watched for 3 years this year and I killed him on the 5th sit. Absolutely bullet proof entrance and exit. I have to scale down a bluff and I step up to my tree and then watch a flat coming from his bed.

99% of my other sits are one and done. My route in and out is OK for that day but not for long term. It's just not possible at those spots.
 
TN Whitetail Freak":3qjixjoj said:
Headhunter":3qjixjoj said:
I agree that the first time is probably your best chance, but I either kill nice bucks or screw up a chance (shoot tree limbs, make a bad shot and miss, not pay attention for just a second, get busted because I move at wrong time, etc.) at a nice buck when I hunt a stand every single day for many days in a row. Stand location plays a role in whether or not you can hunt a spot everyday also.


imo not that if matters, is hunting pressure plays a HUGE roll on whether or not the number of times you can hunt a spot

Many of my best bucks and for sure the oldest I have killed have been on after the same stand every day for many days in a row. Bow, muzzleloader and gun.
Also, many of my best bucks were killed the first sit.

And, several nice bucks I have killed also were in places I was told no hunts that area for whatever reason, wind is never right, wind is wrong that day, bucks don't use that area, you will run all the deer out when you go in, etc. I still say way to many overthink it to the point that some don't even hunt a lot of the time because they know more than the deer.
 
Generally speaking, your odds of taking an older buck are better on that "first sit" at nearly all stand locations, no matter what time of the rut. For that reason, I seldom hunt the exact same spot 2 consecutive days, but I do often hunt within a hundred yards of it several day in a row, especially during the rut.

When you're hunting a specific mature deer OUTSIDE the rut, everything you do becomes more critical, and you can quickly "wear out" a particular stand site by hunting it 2 days in a row. Of course, some stands can be hunted anytime with little concern of this, but most cannot. All these issues are generally even more critical for archery hunting.

During the rut, you can often get away hunting a particular stand day after day overlooking a travel corridor, as any buck you see may be alone, and may not be coming thru that corridor but once every few days. However, if there are more deer, alerting any of them can shift the subsequent deer's travel around you rather than by you. For this reason I often move stand locations daily about 100 yards, even though I might be watching the same travel corridor each day. Most of "my" moving is typically done around 1PM or under the cover of darkness.

In 2014, I took what appeared to be a 6 1/2-yr-old buck. I hunted the same tree several consecutive days, in part because the first day he came by, he caught me off-guard and I wasn't able to take a very easy shot he presented. But he didn't see me, and never knew I was there. I was seeing a few other bucks (but rarely a doe), even passed up a 120-class 3 1/2-yr-old at 10 yards. But never once spooked any of them, and didn't feel they were picking up on my comings and goings. So I kept hunting that same tree, as for many consecutive days, the wind was favorable. About 10 days later, the big one came back thru, and I killed him, a 150-class fully mature Tennessee buck, later aged at 6 1/2.
 
Deer Assassin":29gdfpgy said:
ditto headhunter

his last post last sentence is dead on IMO
Unless your hunting mature pressured bucks.

Your not outsmarting the bucks intelligence or problem solving you are outsmarting his God given instincts to survive.
 
Yea the first time is often but not always the best time to sit in any spot. Now I saw some bucks this past season in spots that I had hunted before, but it was either the first time that year or the first time in that particular tree. At least one was the first time in a completely new spot. The two bucks I could (and would) have shot, however, caught me off guard while walking around the property I live on. First one was trying to stalk into range of some "does" with my bow only to find out one was a 3.5 year old buck. The next one I was once again trying to stalk on a couple of does in another field, and as I neared the edge of the woods, a 3 or 4 year old buck walked up to me while I drew back and then tried to find a hole to shoot through, but couldn't due to 1 twig, and I watched him run off. Funny how that works sometimes. I never did catch up with those does.
 
hunting private land and all our good bucks came from two locations about 200 yrds apart each year.The 12 pointer i shot this year i had probally eight encounters with him but never the shot i wanted until i saw him dec 18 i think it was.All muzzelloader and gun i hunted the same spot almost every evening cause i knew there where good bucks in the area.Most years i dont hunt just one place but this year was different,we saw 3yr old deer out feeding in the fields almost all day long.We even have foodplots that only got hunted 2 times total,bow,muzzleloader,and gun season.This was a weird year forsure.
 
Imo the one an done theory is only relevant during buck feeding patterns. Late an early season.

During the rut there's to many variables in play. And I'd venture to bet if you plot these killing trees, most of their kills are during the rut, especially the ones that are hunted a lot.

There's no substitute for the element of surprise. The best sit is the FIRST for the odds of killing a mature deer.
 

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