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Anyone else seeing does that are loaded with fat?

Two does we killed over the weekend had more fat inside them than any deer I've ever seen. I could hardly dig through all the fat to get at the internal organs.

One of the does was the heaviest doe we've killed in 24 years: 152 pounds live weight.
 
Yes, I think the deer are finding enough red oak acorns to really keep the fat on them. And the fact they are red oak acorns is critical. White oak acorns generally go to root or begin to rot by late November, leaving no good acorns for the winter. Yet red oak acorns don't root until spring and are the really important acorn.

White oaks acorns are great for fall/rut body weight, but it is red oak acorns that carry a deer herd through the winter. We had virtually no white oak acorns on my place this year, but we did have a so-so red/black oak acorn crop.
 
any idea what makes a good mast crop? With such dry conditions this past summer I thought it would be bad but where I hunt the acorns were very abundant
 
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meemphisbluesagain said:
any idea what makes a good mast crop? With such dry conditions this past summer I thought it would be bad but where I hunt the acorns were very abundant

There's still a lot of conjecture about what climatic ans biological conditions produce the best acorn crops.
 
we have a ton of red oak acorns...the buck I shot the sunday before christmas was full of them.

1) Could this be contributing to why everyone is saying their deer sightings have gone done recently? we have a couple crp fields that are usually loaded with deer in the afternoons anywhere from 15-50 and we've only been seeing a few if any past couple of weeks.

2) Do these red oaks help with antler growth in the spring and summer months?
 
bowtch huntr209 said:
we have a ton of red oak acorns...

1) Could this be contributing to why everyone is saying their deer sightings have gone done recently?
Absolutely.

Post-rut, deer activity greatly decreases.
Most notably, they stop traveling far (daily) in linear distance. I often see deer (both bucks & does) that never go more than 150 yards (linear distance) from daybreak to dusk. This can make it very difficult to get close enough for a stand set-up without alerting them to your presence. Getting set-up undetected is further complicated by often noisy frozen ground, and the fact that sound travels farther after the trees are leafless.

Comparing the post-rut to the rut, during the rut, both bucks and does travel much greater distances daily. Many leaves are still on the trees (helps us hunters get set-up with deer less likely to either hear or see us), and the ground is seldom hard frozen and crunchy (noisy) like so many mornings post-rut. And of course, there are simply more deer earlier in the season.

Red oak acorns contribute greatly to post-rut deer inactivity. These acorns are very high in fat, and digest slowly, giving the deer a "full" stomach feeling that can last 24 hours between feedings. The deer can wait until right after dark, travel to a single red oak tree, fill their stomachs, then go lie back down for another 24 hours, after another day and darkness falls once again. Not saying they stay bedded all day, but rather they move around in and near their bedding areas, not traveling very far in any one direction until darkness falls.

When there are red oak acorns post-rut, cultivated food plots can seem virtually worthless for hunting purposes. But when there are no red oak acorns, deer have to eat more often, and will be more mobile during daytime hours, and can be particularly likely to enter crop fields and food plots during daylight. Right now, thanks to the still abundant red oak acorns, 99% of my food plot usage is under the cover of darkness. The only deer that are regularly stepping out before dark are button bucks.

bowtch huntr209 said:
2) Do these red oaks help with antler growth in the spring and summer months?
You betcha!

IMO, generally speaking, having abundant late-season red oak acorns is a bigger deal than what grows in the spring or how much spring/summer rainfall we have. Now if we can have above average spring/early summer rainfall on top of this good acorn crop, we're in for some spectacular antler growth in 2011.

Also, while I can't prove it, I strongly believe that our gaining more mature bucks and improving buck:doe ratios --- these factors are the most significant ones in causing the 2 1/2-yr-old bucks in particular to grow larger antlers than 2 1/2's did in times past. Yep, as BSK will say, my evidence is "antidotal", but I've been hunting many of the same areas now for over 30 years, and young bucks in particular are growing larger antlers, most noteable to me in the 2 1/2-yr-old age class.
 
I killed 2 does last week in dekalb co around center hill lake and they were both filled up with fat, the most I have seen in a while!
 
strictly related to lactation this year for me...

I've killed more 2.5 yr old dry does than EVER before this year- and they were LOADED with fat. One was 140lbs live wt.

The wet 2.5 yr olds and up were fairly lean- not underweight, though

The 1.5 yr olds (all dry) had a fair amount of fat.

I've got a SERIOUS yotie problem this year. Only killing one last year has led to an explosion on the farms. Fortunately, we're up to 6 or 7 killed for the year thus far.
 
Mega,

The two does we killed this last weekend were both dry. I believe this has much to do with why they were so healthy. On the other hand, we killed a wet 5 1/2 year-old doe earlier that was underweight for her age. Raising a fawn(s) drains away a huge amount of body resources.
 
Gravey said:
I killed a doe last week that was wet and when I gutted her couldn't believe the amount of fat inside. She dressed 90 lbs.

Any idea how old she was? 90 lbs field dressed would put her at about 120 lbs live weight.

For fawns, does and yearling bucks, dividing the dressed weight by 0.75 should give you a close estimate of live weight.
 
I killed 2 big does this year that had so much fat on them, I didnt ever think I was gonna get it all off. One of them was almost as big as an undersized 3 1/2 yo buck my dad took. I couldnt believe it
 
JCDEERMAN said:
I killed 2 big does this year that had so much fat on them, I didnt ever think I was gonna get it all off. One of them was almost as big as an undersized 3 1/2 yo buck my dad took. I couldnt believe it

When I saw that 152 pound doe coming through the woods, I was sure it was an older buck.

The 3 1/2 year-old buck I killed this year only weighed 16 pounds more.
 
I killed two does Christmas Eve morning that were loaded with fat. Both were dry, but there were 3 fawns with them so I assume that they both raised fawns this year. They had a mixture of acorns and green browse in their stomachs.

It took forever to butcher and trim the meat - there was even marbling in some of the muscle groups, which I had not seen before.
 
BSK said:
Gravey said:
I killed a doe last week that was wet and when I gutted her couldn't believe the amount of fat inside. She dressed 90 lbs.

Any idea how old she was? 90 lbs field dressed would put her at about 120 lbs live weight.

For fawns, does and yearling bucks, dividing the dressed weight by 0.75 should give you a close estimate of live weight.
Not sure. Unfortunately I'm not good at aging them by the teeth and didn't pull the jawbone. Didn't think much about it until I got her to the processor and they weighed her there.
 
I saw two doe Sunday evening that looked heavy to me....and watched them munch on what I assume were red oak acorns on an oak ridge I was on.
 
tellico4x4 said:
Our does have been fatty's this year as well.

Same here. I killed one doe last week that had the most fat I have ever seen on a deer around here. We had a bumper red oak acorn crop this year.
 
This year I have seen the fattest doe's I have ever seen. My buddies and I have talked about this all season. I think that 3 years of bumper acorn crops is really paying off. Next year will be even better as far as healthy deer heards go. Hopefully we will have another good acorn crop next year.
 
JEL said:
This year I have seen the fattest doe's I have ever seen. My buddies and I have talked about this all season. I think that 3 years of bumper acorn crops is really paying off. Next year will be even better as far as healthy deer heards go. Hopefully we will have another good acorn crop next year.

And most important (at least this year) is the big red oak acorn crop. It is the acorns from the red oak species that will really carry a deer herd through winter in great shape.
 
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