Definition of a "cull buck"

[dgolden]

Thought I would share this unique buck that has been hanging out on our lease the last few years. We have yet to see him in person. I'll definitely use a tag on him if I ever see him! I know opinions on cull bucks vary greatly, but in my opinion this buck is the definition of one! 762Hunter has given him the name "Dagger".

 

[double browtine]

That's a crazy buck. I have heard that big mature spikes can kill another buck by ramming into there sides with there horns during an intense fight.

 

[gunshow420]

Landman would refer to him as an "11" pointer!

 

[Spurhunter]

90% of the time I don't believe in cull bucks and think it's just an excuse to shoot a buck. However, THIS is a cull buck!

 

[Os2 Outdoors]

Re: Definition of a "cull buck"

That's pretty wild. I would bet it's more going on here than genetics though.

Anything from pedicle injuries to disease.

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[landman]

Landman would refer to him as an "11" pointer!

That's a BOONER "11" Pointer....

More of a Trophy than a cull

 

[ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]

Kill him

 

[catman529]

Re: Definition of a "cull buck"

Very unique buck. I might shoot him if I didn't have any jumbos on camera. But you know "culling" won't do anything to affect the gene pool. You said he's been around a few years, you don't think he's been sowing his oats every year? There ain't much you can do to affect the genetics of a free range deer herd. But you sure as heck can shoot him if you like. Would make a unique mount. Would love to see the jawbones too.


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[knightrider]

Once again no such h thing as a cull buck because you can't alter genetics in a wild herd by shooting bucks with inferior head gear. It is an awesome buck and would definitely shoot not because he is a cull but because he is unique and I would be tickled to shoot him.

 

[MUP]

Landman would refer to him as an "11" pointer!

That's a BOONER "11" Pointer....

More of a Trophy than a cull

I definitely agree. Mature and very unique!

 

[Mike Belt]

You can't alter those fawns already sired by a buck like that but you can make sure he doesn't contribute any further.

 

[wsm]

Move him out ,shoot him.

 

[dgolden]

All 4 members on the lease agree that if he ever shows himself, he's getting shot! Hope he slips up soon because I'll be waiting.

Any ideas on how old he may be? Definitely looks mature to me. Like cat said, I'd love to take a look at those jawbones.

 

[csi-tech]

I have a 3.5 year old spike with incredibly thick bases and trash everywhere. He winded me last week. I need to offer a free hunt to a meat hunter who will be willing to pop him and burn a tag.

 

[Hardwoodmaterials]

I have a 3.5 year old spike with incredibly thick bases and trash everywhere. He winded me last week. I need to offer a free hunt to a meat hunter who will be willing to pop him and burn a tag.

Would be awesome if you could find a kid that could get him this weekend.

 

[fairchaser]

You can definitely take him out of the food chain and make room for another deer even though he could sire a booner with the right doe. Chances are he doesn't participate in the breeding anyway as studies have shown does prefer bucks with bigger antlers. My guess is that he's not hurting a thing other than eating food another deer might eat.

 

[Mike Belt]

fairchaser...I've also heard that said about him not participating in the rut. Not trying to disagree with you but I don't believe that for a minute. I believe in the theory that a buck (any buck participating in the rut) only sires at the most 2-3 fawns per season. Considering that 90% or better of the does will be bred during the season that either means one of two things; either the biggest percentage of your existing bucks are mature, big racked bucks or smaller racked young bucks are doing a big percentage of the breeding. If you know of a club where most of the bucks are the older, bigger racked bucks and they have an opening that is affordable, please pass that information along.

 

[fairchaser]

fairchaser...I've also heard that said about him not participating in the rut. Not trying to disagree with you but I don't believe that for a minute. I believe in the theory that a buck (any buck participating in the rut) only sires at the most 2-3 fawns per season. Considering that 90% or better of the does will be bred during the season that either means one of two things; either the biggest percentage of your existing bucks are mature, big racked bucks or smaller racked young bucks are doing a big percentage of the breeding. If you know of a club where most of the bucks are the older, bigger racked bucks and they have an opening that is affordable, please pass that information along.

I agree Mike that young bucks do participate in the breeding. That would just make sense to get all the does breed. Even a prolific buck will only breed 2-3 does and most only 1 or 2. I was just implying that even if he did breed, he wouldn't make much genetic impact and that he's not hurting anything.

 

[Hunt 365]

That's a weirdo. I like to hunt the freaks for sure!

 

[Winchester]

He would definitely be a cull buck in my eyes, and the only buck I consider a Cull is a fully mature buck with a small sub par rack for the area he lives in! Hes just another mouth to feed that you will never have any interest in, hence a cull in my eyes!

 

[Mike Belt]

I wonder how many hunters would burn a buck tag to intentionally remove a cull buck like that.

 

[Headhunter]

Nope, I would not cull him and would for sure not burn a tag on him. In 99.9 percent of free range situations there is no such animal as a "cull buck".

IMO, if you want to kill the buck, then kill him, just don't call him a cull.

We a very similar spike on a farm I hunted several years ago. Longer spikes than one, more straight up, I watched him chase a doe for several mornings, they would show up at about the same time every morning, 4 mornings in a row. I just watched him and he was doing everything he could to mate with the doe. The 4th morning in a row, they came out and were running everywhere. I was just watching the show as I had been. I heard a loud grunt and a great buck came out, before I got a clean shot the great buck chased the "cull buck" off , and as soon as I got the opportunity I killed what was at that time the best buck I had ever killed. So glad I didn't kill that "cull buck". And that is not the only time with what so many call a "cull buck" that has happened to me.

IMO, I want all the bucks I can have on my property to create as much competition as possible.

 

[GRIT]

Every time you shoot a buck there is a reason behind it.
Big rack
Mature buck
A Freak/Odd rack
Cull buck
Food
The list goes on and on
So i guess there all cull bucks once you shoot them

 

[Headhunter]

Most every tndeer member favorite person that used to post here (except for me, as far as I know he hates me and I do not care for him) but BSK will tell you that in 99.9 percent of deer hunters world a cull buck does not exist and even if it does, then a majority of hunters (I am included) do not know how to determine a cull buck.

 

[Winchester]

I rarely burn tags on Cull bucks myself but they definitely exist in my eyes as its a buck you care nothing about shooting, even though hes mature. He is just another mouth for your ground to feed. He wont make any more does come in heat, he wont make any other buck walk by you, he wont increase your chances of killing a big racked buck, etc. Just another mouth to feed with nothing to contribute imo!

 

[CDUB]

Looks like a gazelle. Take him down....

 

[MarlinSlayer]

White tail antelope

 

[AT Hiker]

Re: Definition of a "cull buck"

In the broad definition of "cull" every time we kill something as hunters we are "culling". So cull away, then braise his shanks Osso Buco style and enjoy the deliciousness. Then start planning your next culling adventure.




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[Headhunter]

I rarely burn tags on Cull bucks myself but they definitely exist in my eyes as its a buck you care nothing about shooting, even though hes mature. He is just another mouth for your ground to feed. He wont make any more does come in heat, he wont make any other buck walk by you, he wont increase your chances of killing a big racked buck, etc. Just another mouth to feed with nothing to contribute imo!

I disagree. Why do places that charge crazy amounts of money to hunt advertise that their buck to doe ratio is 1 doe to 1 buck or I have even seen we have 2 bucks for every doe? In all of those situations, not every buck is a giant, there are spikes, basket racks, messed up racks, etc. There are young bucks, old bucks, huge bucks, mature bucks with average racks, spikes, etc. It is a fact that that getting the ratio down will no doubt help in seeing more bucks and probably seeing the better bucks. I have helped cull does on several places and seen the first hand the effects of letting EVERY single buck walk and killing ONLY mature does. There does come a point where someone qualified determines some bucks that are mature that need to be killed, but for the most part, unless it a buck they want to kill, there are NO culls. It is amazing to see the changes of areas that are overrun with does, from not seeing many bucks at all and for sure no good bucks, to seeing tons of bucks and the better bucks after killing whatever number of does is necessary and letting the bucks walk, all of them.

Just want to add, I don't care what anyone kills legally, never have, never will. But all of the time I hear so many say stuff like
We don't have any bucks or
all of our bucks are little or
I wish we had better bucks
I would love to kill a big buck

but when you ask them if they have killed any bucks, they will say they killed several bucks but all are spikes or 4 pointers or 6 pointer, etc. Does letting some bucks go mean you will have giants, or record book deer, or bigger bucks than anywhere else or they will behind every tree? NOT even close, does it mean the bucks in your area will get a chance to be as big as they can be for the are they are in, for sure. And just the fact they are alive, not dead at 1-1/2 or 2-1/2 or as spike or a small basket rack, you at least have a chance to see them, but only if they are alive.
AGE is by far the number 1 factor in having better bucks, because a dead buck is for sure not ever going to be any better.

 

[Bone Collector]

I don't consider him a "cull" just because he doesn't have good antlers, but he is mature and that should be good enough reason to shoot him regardless of the head gear.

I have a 5 pt that showed up and he is a tank, but has no rack. He will be shot on sight this year, of course all pics are night time.