Bam!

[PalsPal]

Great article!

https://247sports.com/college/tenne...-be-the-big-one-the-really-big-one-226464259/




A statement from known NCAA-killer Tom Mars — the lawyer who represents Tennessee's Spyre Sports NIL collective — put out a couple of statements, as well, and those statements said with zero wiggle room that Spyre hadn't broken any rules.



These eyes have seen and these ears have heard fear with certain NCAA issues in the past, and not ounce of that has been detected in this matter. Tennessee does not seem scared. It seems angry. Those are two very different things.

Things reached a point Wednesday where the NCAA released a statement of its own. Clear, concise and cogent, it was not. It was a corporate word salad, but interestingly it included a warning that a lawsuit "would exacerbate what our members themselves have frequently described as a 'wild west' atmosphere, further tilting competitive imbalance among schools in neighboring states, and diminishing protections for student-athletes from potential exploitation."

Exploitation? Really? Remember that reference of projection a moment ago? There's you some projection.






.

 

[Spurhunter]

Who are you going to trust, Tom Mars or The Law Office of Bandwagon Nation?

It's a tough call.

 

[prstide]

What does the NOA say UT did in regards to violations?

 

[PalsPal]

Who are you going to trust, Tom Mars or The Law Office of Bandwagon Nation?

It's a tough call.

Come on man !

With the swift response from the TN contingent, this appears to have been planned for a while, while they waited for the NCAA to take the bait.

TN has gotten some great publicity for standing firm from various other schools.

Anybody read an explanation as to why Virginia jumped on the lawsuit?

 

[PalsPal]

Another great article from Andy Staples.


https://www.on3.com/news/the-big-one-tennessee-vs-ncaa-nil-lawsuit-affects-entire-college-landscape/

 

[PalsPal]

From another article.

While the Tennessee case is in its infancy, it would not be surprising to see the DOJ once again join in a suit against the NCAA, bringing their vast resources and highly skilled federal attorneys with them -- an unfavorable situation for the NCAA

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Plowman will get a cookie and a trip to the prize box for her efforts ..but in the end the NCAA list the rules and regulations of NIL on its website and I feel certain sends that information directly to the institutions it governs .


In the end the NCAA will find a team that is already on probation for Impermissible paid visits, direct payments to student athletes, unethical conduct and most of all a failure to monitor the program. I feel certain the failure to monitor the program and the outlined "cheating culture" that the NCAA has labeled on the vols in the last NCAA violation hand down will likely come back to haunt them in this investigation.



Flexing is not going to help. Just ask Norvell how that worked out.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Bam Bam! impermissible recruting contacts.... allready on probation for that NCAA just flexed back
https://www.wsmv.com/2024/01/31/ncaa-releases-statement-after-vast-response-tennessee-investigation/

"While the NCAA generally does not comment on specific infractions cases, it is important to remember that NCAA member schools and conferences not only make the rules but routinely call for greater enforcement of those rules and holding violators accountable. In recent years, this has been especially true as it relates to establishing and enforcing a consistent set of national rules intended to manage the name, image and likeness environment. This legal action would exacerbate what our members themselves have frequently described as a "wild west" atmosphere, further tilting competitive imbalance among schools in neighboring states, and diminishing protections for student-athletes from potential exploitation. The NCAA remains firmly committed to protecting and expanding student-athletes' NIL rights and opportunities. However, our membership has steadfastly supported the prohibition on impermissible recruiting contacts, booster involvement in recruiting prospects and the use of NIL offers as recruiting inducements."

 

[bowhunterfanatic]

Plowman will get a cookie and a trip to the prize box for her efforts ..but in the end the NCAA list the rules and regulations of NIL on its website and I feel certain sends that information directly to the institutions it governs .


In the end the NCAA will find a team that is already on probation for Impermissible paid visits, direct payments to student athletes, unethical conduct and most of all a failure to monitor the program. I feel certain the failure to monitor the program and the outlined "cheating culture" that the NCAA has labeled on the vols in the last NCAA violation hand down will likely come back to haunt them in this investigation.



Flexing is not going to help. Just ask Norvell how that worked out.

At least @prstide has a functioning brain and makes logical points. You're more lost than last year's Easter eggs.

 

[buckaroo]

All these bamers better pray Tennessee wins, they have 2 dozen schools they are investigating and you know bama is one, heck that might be a reason saban left

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

At least @prstide has a functioning brain and makes logical points. You're more lost than last year's Easter eggs.

Listing rules ans regulations is not a logical point ?

Makes sense then why they vols are constantly in trouble with the NCAA .

Roll Tide

 

[buckaroo]

Listing rules ans regulations is not a logical point ?

Makes sense then why they vols are constantly in trouble with the NCAA .

Roll Tide

Dah, the rule was'nt in effect 1 1/2 yrs ago, if it was why are they waiting that long, just 6 months ago they claimed Tennessee was a leader in doing things by the book, also we asked for meetings to discuss NIL with ncaa and they declined! WTH

 

[healthy]

Dah, the rule was'nt in effect 1 1/2 yrs ago, if it was why are they waiting that long, just 6 months ago they claimed Tennessee was a leader in doing things by the book, also we asked for meetings to discuss NIL with ncaa and they declined! WTH

Seems like a mess and a half to me, Tennessee asked to talk about NIL rules, got declined, and now there's drama.

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

It is a state lawsuit, not the university.

 

[THEdonkey0515]

Seems like a mess and a half to me, Tennessee asked to talk about NIL rules, got declined, and now there's drama.

Yeah this was after the NCAA said they wanted to meet with as many University's as possible.

Tennessee "Hey NCAA Can the Chancellor and AD meet up to to discuss NIL rules no one in the country is clear on?"

NCAA "NO!"

NCAA months later "your now under investigation for rules NO one understands"

 

[EastTNHunter]

Yeah this was after the NCAA said they wanted to meet with as many University's as possible.

Tennessee "Hey NCAA Can the Chancellor and AD meet up to to discuss NIL rules no one in the country is clear on?"

NCAA "NO!"

NCAA months later "your now under investigation for rules NO one understands"

Might I add:
NCAA "We know that we took no leadership on this NIL thing from the start, and provided even less guidance and leadership after the initial court rulings that legalized NIL, thus perpetuating the current "Wild, Wild West" scenario. But we now want to try to put the toothpaste back into the tube through unilateral penalties rather than providing clear guidance through collaborative rules that everyone has been asking for all along."

 

[THEdonkey0515]

Might I add:
NCAA "We know that we took no leadership on this NIL thing from the start, and provided even less guidance and leadership after the initial court rulings that legalized NIL, thus perpetuating the current "Wild, Wild West" scenario. But we now want to try to put the toothpaste back into the tube through unilateral penalties rather than providing clear guidance through collaborative rules that everyone has been asking for all along."

Correct!

But yet, They are still people that think Tennessee is in the wrong for filling a lawsuit ...

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Correct!

But yet, They are still people that think Tennessee is in the wrong for filling a lawsuit ...

I would not want to be facing down the barrel of the NCAA WHEN the next set of cheating violations occur at tn. Because it's been documented the vols have a cheating culture.

Rubbing the NCAA the wrong way this time may or may not pay off. Remains to be seen. But there is always next time.

 

[bigquacks]

the vols have a cheating culture.

You keep throwing this out, where have you seen it reported the NCAA said this.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

You keep throwing this out, where have you seen it reported the NCAA said this.

https://247sports.com/college/tenne...ause-penalty-recruiting-violations-212804514/

 

[7mm08]

All these bamers better pray Tennessee wins, they have 2 dozen schools they are investigating and you know bama is one, heck that might be a reason saban left

Kinda pulled an Eddie Sutton? Champion sleeze ball

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

You keep throwing this out, where have you seen it reported the NCAA said this.

Exhibit B
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/7/14...ennessee-football-program-over-3-seasons.aspx

Failure to monitor

The panel acknowledged in its decision that Tennessee has dedicated significant financial and personnel resources to its compliance program, which was led by a highly respected individual. The panel also acknowledged that the coaches and other football staff in this case intentionally worked to conceal their conduct from compliance staff.

However, the panel determined that despite the compliance department's efforts, the scope and egregiousness of the violations in this case and the department's failure to detect the violations indicate that Tennessee failed to monitor the football program.

"The failure at Tennessee was cultural," the panel said. "It was a failure of all stakeholders to embrace the shared responsibility of monitoring and compliance and to create a culture where those responsibilities were prioritized and rewarded. This cannot simply be the responsibility of the compliance staff."

 

[XCR-2]

Alabama shouldn't be the tide, more like the saints.

https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-alabama/article29055703.html

 

[bigquacks]

Exhibit B
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/7/14...ennessee-football-program-over-3-seasons.aspx

Failure to monitor

The panel acknowledged in its decision that Tennessee has dedicated significant financial and personnel resources to its compliance program, which was led by a highly respected individual. The panel also acknowledged that the coaches and other football staff in this case intentionally worked to conceal their conduct from compliance staff.

However, the panel determined that despite the compliance department's efforts, the scope and egregiousness of the violations in this case and the department's failure to detect the violations indicate that Tennessee failed to monitor the football program.

"The failure at Tennessee was cultural," the panel said. "It was a failure of all stakeholders to embrace the shared responsibility of monitoring and compliance and to create a culture where those responsibilities were prioritized and rewarded. This cannot simply be the responsibility of the compliance staff."

Thanks for the info. So, what I am seeing is that out of this you see a "cheating culture" which is never stated. The culture you "think" you are talking about is mentioned only twice and never in the words of "cheating culture". You highlighted one above but failed to mention the other which states "spotlights the toxic culture that existed under the head coach's leadership". You know the coach that came from bama and more than likely this wasnt his first rodeo. Believe me when I say this, the day the ncaa rolls into bama land will be glorious and everyone will see the decades of the "cheating culture" that is bama sports.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Thanks for the info. So, what I am seeing is that out of this you see a "cheating culture" which is never stated. The culture you "think" you are talking about is mentioned only twice and never in the words of "cheating culture". You highlighted one above but failed to mention the other which states "spotlights the toxic culture that existed under the head coach's leadership". You know the coach that came from bama and more than likely this wasnt his first rodeo. Believe me when I say this, the day the ncaa rolls into bama land will be glorious and everyone will see the decades of the "cheating culture" that is bama sports.

Failure to Monitor is the same as turning a blind eye. Its called cheating . Period! Its a cheating culture. No way around it. Call it whatever you want to with colored glasses on . Its cheating. And the culture is documented at tn.

 

[TNTreeman]

Failure to Monitor is the same as turning a blind eye. Its called cheating . Period! Its a cheating culture. No way around it. Call it whatever you want to with colored glasses on . Its cheating. And the culture is documented at tn.

Hearing a gump talk about cheating is akin to Alec Baldwin speaking on gun safety. Rumor is your hero is doing a little to much meddling and it's causing conflict with the new staff. Might ought to talk to him about that when you two get together.

 

[Spurhunter]

Hearing a gump talk about cheating is akin to Alec Baldwin speaking on gun safety.

Great analogy. He won't understand though. He will spend the rest of the day wondering if Alec Baldwin played Forrest Gump. He's literally that stupid. If his brain was made of dynamite there wouldn't be enough to blow his hat off.

 

[bigquacks]

Failure to Monitor is the same as turning a blind eye. Its called cheating . Period! Its a cheating culture. No way around it. Call it whatever you want to with colored glasses on . Its cheating. And the culture is documented at tn.

Now dont twist this to fit what you have been trying to say. You have said many times "cheating culture according to the ncaa" however that is factually not true as they never said that. Did the Vols break rules, yes they did and fully cooperated with the ncaa. Beldor from bama tried to kill the program from within but failed and if the truth be known, you are not liking UT starting to be relevant again. You want UT to fail because of, as you call it "receipts" will be brought out when the time comes that bama is in the crosshairs.

 

[volboy]

 

[cbhunter]

Failure to Monitor is the same as turning a blind eye. It's called cheating . Period! It's a cheating culture. No way around it. Call it whatever you want to with colored glasses on . Its cheating. And the culture is documented at tn.

Call it what you want, this is "the culture" now. Read it and weep

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/spor...uit-nil-rules-injunction-granted/72535104007/