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Hunter0678 said:
Not true, if a farmer harvests his corn and then decides to overseed it for the winter with wheat the week before sept 1st the ground could be covered in wheat up to the allowable seeding rate.
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a farmer would use a drill to plant wheat.
 
Tenntrapper said:
For the sake of argument...what if the farmer bush hogged the corn field? Would there be a difference? I feel like there would be.
I guess my question is...when it comes to baiting, is there a difference between corn and sunflower seeds?
Is there some gray area in the regs that allows someone to say...I just bush hogged my field..must have been some sunflowers in there?
Or something like that?
Because, lets be honest here...we know why people plant, kill, bush hog sunflowers just before Labor Day...every year. It ain't no accident, coincidence, etc. It's intentional baiting.

As for your question. It was about 20-ish years ago in Green county. Everyone was fined.
Another field I was on...TWRA came in, walked around, and shut down the field. Said too much corn on ground. Neither of these field were grown for dove...just someone farming.. growing corn.
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This may be a different field but about the same time period a field was cited in Hamblen County. I think sunflowers had been top sowed as well.
 
but yet twra will pay you extra by the acre to top so wheat on the dove fields they lease from private owners😂😂😂
 
That's a normal ag field practice to keep the dirt from washing away, also can be harvested and is called double cropping.
 
mike243 said:
That's a normal ag field practice to keep the dirt from washing away, also can be harvested and is called double cropping.
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No 💩 but let em catch you dove hunting over it on your on private fields and its baiting
 
scn said:
Yes, there are major differences in what is legal for doves and what is legal for waterfowl.

Waterfowl requires a normal agricultural practice. Only in VERY rare instances does bushhogging down a crop get into the normal range. That is one of the reasons (non-toxic shot being the other) that people have received citations hunting geese in the early season over what was a legal dove field.
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Honest question here, what's normal about purposely flooding standing corn
 
scn said:
If you grow it on the field, you can pretty much manipulate it any way you want to for doves. You can bush hog, knock down, burn, etc. Under the federal regulations, growing and then manipulating for doves has never been baiting.

Where people get in trouble is by getting cute and trying to "sweeten up" what was probably already a good field by adding other stuff to it.

The regulations are actually pretty clear, and if there is something you don't understand, there are a bunch of TWRA phone numbers to call to get some clarification. Most folks don't bother because they want to claim ignorance if it goes bad.

And, like any discussion on "baiting" on here, a lot of it usually gets down to the class warfare level. Because someone is "rich" and has some land to plant a field/food plot and the equipment and money to do so, since I am poor, I ought to be able to pour something out of a bag for my hunting pleasure.

Since the baiting regulations for doves (and waterfowl) come from the US Fish and Wildlife Service, lobbying for changes would need to be on the federal level.
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Top sow wheat. Run a tiller over the ground to scratch it and you're good to go.
 
I checked a corn field that had been picked but there was a lot of cracked corn all over the field.
Another field I checked was a bush hogged sweet corn field with lots of white corn scattered over it.
 

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