Baiting deer but not other animals?

[Doskil]

So how do you legalize baiting for deer but not for other species like fall turkey?

 

[scn]

You don't.

 

[landman]

And the fall turkey season needs to go too

 

[AllOutdoors]

When did TN legalize baiting for deer?

 

[scn]

When did TN legalize baiting for deer?

TN hasn't legalized baiting, and hopefully never will.

 

[Prowler]

When did TN legalize baiting for deer?

TN hasn't legalized baiting, and hopefully never will.

X1000

 

[catman529]

And the fall turkey season needs to go too

maybe in some counties, but not around here.


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[huntforme7909]

its funny to see all the big shots on tv setting over a bait pile 3 ft tall and in some of the best hunting country in the US and kill a big deer and brag like hell about it.....when I venture to say most tn hunters knowing how to hunt could go to the same farm and hunt without bait and pattern the deer and kill one just as big.....I know I have ran across many many bait piles....I don't like the idea of hunting over bait.....but I don't completely want to be a hipicrit either because I do put out salt licks....and the deer do come to the salt licks up through early bow season....I like to use them just to keep deer in the area though and not intended to be a means to kill a deer because its walking right up to it...like they would a corn pile or some other kind of bait pile....whats others thoughts on using salt licks?

 

[leader]

Bait can be VERY counter active depending on what you are trying to kill....


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[chris1976]

If it were legal, I would have the biggest corn pile my pockets could handle [emoji106]


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[AllOutdoors]

When did TN legalize baiting for deer?

TN hasn't legalized baiting, and hopefully never will.

Scn, I know. Thanks for clearing up what some may assume that TN has.[emoji3]

To the op, how should it be done?

 

[WRbowhunter]

its funny to see all the big shots on tv setting over a bait pile 3 ft tall and in some of the best hunting country in the US and kill a big deer and brag like hell about it.....when I venture to say most tn hunters knowing how to hunt could go to the same farm and hunt without bait and pattern the deer and kill one just as big.....I know I have ran across many many bait piles....I don't like the idea of hunting over bait.....but I don't completely want to be a hipicrit either because I do put out salt licks....and the deer do come to the salt licks up through early bow season....I like to use them just to keep deer in the area though and not intended to be a means to kill a deer because its walking right up to it...like they would a corn pile or some other kind of bait pile....whats others thoughts on using salt licks?

Not that I care for TV hunting that much but if your living depended on killing X number of big bucks on Camera and you only have so many days to hunt I think you would do what you had to do ( legal of course ). I was also venture to say that those same TV hunters can still scout and pattern deer with the best of the TN hunters.

As far as baiting in TN really don't think there is a need for it.

 

[deerhunter10]

And the fall turkey season needs to go too

X1000000000

 

[TheLBLman]

IMO, baiting becomes more about shooting than hunting.

I have no personal "problem" with those who choose to shoot animals over bait where legal, just don't see it as being much different than shooting a cow coming to a fresh bale of hay at its daily feeding station.

I've known more than one pretty fair deer hunter who started (legally) hunting a lot over bait in other states. Over time, they all became LESS effective hunters, seeming to lose much of their former hunting skills. Speaking of which, there is no better way to never learn to otherwise effectively deer hunt, than by regularly shooting deer over bait instead of actually "hunting" them. For the purpose of that statement, I'd even include most food plots and fields, although they don't concentrate deer to approach a very small "spot" anything like "bait" poured from a bag.

There CAN be much more to deer hunting, than just sitting, waiting to shoot.
Same for turkey hunting.

 

[spoon]

Everytime you hunt over a food plot, you are hunting over bait!

 

[Deer Assassin]

i think there is no reason tn should not approve baiting for deer



for all the biologist concerned about aflotoxin and spreading of disease explain why the deer herd in tx ky nc and ohio are doing fine

 

[Dean Parisian]

The law in TN is still clear. No baiting.

How many bait piles do you know of? How many did you run across this fall, last year, two years ago? Did you report any bait piles to TWRA enforcement officials? How many shooters on this web site utilize corn as an attractant?

My personal stand on baiting is pretty simple. If it is legal in another state and somebody wants to hunt in that manner have at it. I think baiting is a tactic desired by lazy hunters that do not want learn the skills or spend the time to study deer, their behaviour and movement patterns.

I think baiting is a tactic designed to circumvent effort, knowledge and skill.

Unfortunately TN is loaded with baiters. I learned on my first day in law school that life isn't fair. It sucks to hear the gun shots coming from properties where baiting is probably going on. Baiting is a significant condemnation of a shooters ability to hunt!

 

[Deerbuster1996]

And the fall turkey season needs to go too

maybe in some counties, but not around here.


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[Mike Belt]

DA...I'd hate to see it. There may never be a disease consequence but the potential is there. More than any other reason I think John Q. Public, even if they know nothing of deer hunting and aren't for or against it, would look at hunting in a negative light.

 

[TheLBLman]

Chip, you do have a way with words. :D You a lawyer or something? :mrgreen:

I think baiting is a tactic designed to circumvent effort, knowledge and skill.

Unfortunately TN is loaded with baiters. I learned on my first day in law school that life isn't fair. It sucks to hear the gun shots coming from properties where baiting is probably going on. Baiting is a significant condemnation of a shooters ability to hunt!

Very good way of summing it up. Couldn't have said it better.

My personal stand on baiting is pretty simple. If it is legal in another state and somebody wants to hunt in that manner have at it.

That, too.

 

[Doskil]

I would just legalize it.

I'm willing to bet illegal baiting goes on quite a bit.

 

[deerhunter10]

I would just legalize it.

I'm willing to bet illegal baiting goes on quite a bit.

For sure then you go into a store and they sale bait instead of food plot seed and minerals. It's mainly bait. I don't care if they legalize it or not I would rather then not but that's just me. Imo a food plot or some people call them bait llots what ever you wanna call it is way more effective than a like of corn.

 

[Deerbuster1996]

I would just legalize it.

I'm willing to bet illegal baiting goes on quite a bit.

For sure then you go into a store and they sale bait instead of food plot seed and minerals. It's mainly bait. I don't care if they legalize it or not I would rather then not but that's just me. Imo a food plot or some people call them bait llots what ever you wanna call it is way more effective than a like of corn.

Agreed, food plots have been a big help with bring deer in and keeping them around. I quit throwing corn out during the summer when running cameras. I got tired of having 25%deer pictures and 75% coons pictures.

 

[Deer Assassin]

DA...I'd hate to see it. There may never be a disease consequence but the potential is there. More than any other reason I think John Q. Public, even if they know nothing of deer hunting and aren't for or against it, would look at hunting in a negative light.

i have no desire to debate baiting because there is nothing to said that hasnt been posted on here 100x in the last 10 years.


Mike

i certainly respect you opinion and I have talked with SCN and i know he is adamant against it and that is fine by me. I think the anti are going to be anti no matter what. The non hunting neutral public people I think they are happy with the out of sight out of mind approach

the people that would be upset with baiting ( non hunting public) would also be upset will kill plots and other tactics used buy hunters but the fact is they dont care

The non hunters I have talked to (granted just a few) see no difference between the current legal forms of baiting and no legal forms

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

DA...I'd hate to see it. There may never be a disease consequence but the potential is there. More than any other reason I think John Q. Public, even if they know nothing of deer hunting and aren't for or against it, would look at hunting in a negative light.

i have no desire to debate baiting because there is nothing to said that hasnt been posted on here 100x in the last 10 years.


Mike

i certainly respect you opinion and I have talked with SCN and i know he is adamant against it and that is fine by me. I think the anti are going to be anti no matter what. The non hunting neutral public people I think they are happy with the out of sight out of mind approach

the people that would be upset with baiting ( non hunting public) would also be upset will kill plots and other tactics used buy hunters but the fact is they dont care

The non hunters I have talked to (granted just a few) see no difference between the current legal forms of baiting and no legal forms

Well I am a seasoned hunter who has hunted many of the states where baiting is legal and I gotta tell you I cannot see any difference between the current legal forms of "baiting" in TN as you put it VS TN regulations of illegal baiting.

Putting out a salt lick or mineral block in order to lure the deer in and attract the deer is no different IMHO than putting out loose corn or sweet feed. They are both a natural attractant brought in from outside the natural environment of the surrounding area. Neither are grown there on site. Neither are growing out of the ground. Yet somehow Its legal to introduce a foreign attractant into the woods in the form of a mineral block or salt lick but bringing in corn or sweet feed is not. :bash:

Planting a row of corn and hunting directly over it is no different IMHO than putting out loose corn and hunting directly over it. You are still putting yourself up against the animal in a fair chase situation.

Ive heard people on here bad mouthing TV hunters and hunters in other states for hunting over corn or feeders. But those same hunters that were doing the bad mouthing don't seem to have a problem a few threads back talking about deer lures, urines, decoys, game calls, salt licks and mineral blocks that they themselves are using. Its irony at its best. One form of attractant should be as good as any. I think each and everyone of us has their own line in the sand of where they feel ETHICAL begins and where ETHICAL ends. Bottom line is it ends in the regulations till we get them changed.


Ive heard all the mumbo jumbo reasons for keeping baiting out of Tn and they are simply invalid IMHO. Baiting is both LEGAL and ETHICAL in many many states and until such time as the regulations are changed we will have to abide by it. Some of the states that approved it with limitations saw the benefit of it and have expanded on the regulations and made it more open and accessible to hunters to bait without heavy restrictions. Tn will eventually legalize baiting practices. It will take some well organized groups that are well funded and politically organized to get it done. Perhaps even putting pressure on current seated voting members to get on board with it or get them removed. That's how things get done. Moaning and griping about it on Tn Deer will do no good so its really wasted breath even talking about it. It divides the board as much as buck limits.

 

[Bone Collector]

DA...I'd hate to see it. There may never be a disease consequence but the potential is there. More than any other reason I think John Q. Public, even if they know nothing of deer hunting and aren't for or against it, would look at hunting in a negative light.

They already think that is how hunters hunt. I work with a ton of non-hunters. If the topic comes up, 90 % think it is unnecessary because we have grocery stores, and think all we do is set out salt or corn and deer line up to be shot.... Oh and it is all for sport and a set of antlers. 99% of their opinions come from seeing a hunting show 1 time on TV....

As for bait being necessary in TN. I don't think it is, but the flip side of that is I don't think it is unnecessary either. If is ok in Ky with all their crops, fertile soils, and huge "healthier than TN" deer herd, then why not here. If it were legal, then I guess I'd have an opinion about it being not necessary, but would accept it like the 2 buck limit. It is what it is.

 

[Bone Collector]

Well I am a seasoned hunter who has hunted many of the states where baiting is legal and I gotta tell you I cannot see any difference between the current legal forms of "baiting" in TN as you put it VS TN regulations of illegal baiting.

Putting out a salt lick or mineral block in order to lure the deer in and attract the deer is no different IMHO than putting out loose corn or sweet feed. They are both a natural attractant brought in from outside the natural environment of the surrounding area. Neither are grown there on site. Neither are growing out of the ground. Yet somehow Its legal to introduce a foreign attractant into the woods in the form of a mineral block or salt lick but bringing in corn or sweet feed is not. :bash:

Planting a row of corn and hunting directly over it is no different IMHO than putting out loose corn and hunting directly over it. You are still putting yourself up against the animal in a fair chase situation.

Ive heard people on here bad mouthing TV hunters and hunters in other states for hunting over corn or feeders. But those same hunters that were doing the bad mouthing don't seem to have a problem a few threads back talking about deer lures, urines, decoys, game calls, salt licks and mineral blocks that they themselves are using. Its irony at its best. One form of attractant should be as good as any. I think each and everyone of us has their own line in the sand of where they feel ETHICAL begins and where ETHICAL ends. Bottom line is it ends in the regulations till we get them changed.


Ive heard all the mumbo jumbo reasons for keeping baiting out of Tn and they are simply invalid IMHO. Baiting is both LEGAL and ETHICAL in many many states and until such time as the regulations are changed we will have to abide by it. Some of the states that approved it with limitations saw the benefit of it and have expanded on the regulations and made it more open and accessible to hunters to bait without heavy restrictions. Tn will eventually legalize baiting practices. It will take some well organized groups that are well funded and politically organized to get it done. Perhaps even putting pressure on current seated voting members to get on board with it or get them removed. That's how things get done. Moaning and griping about it on Tn Deer will do no good so its really wasted breath even talking about it. It divides the board as much as buck limits.

I've made this same argument at least 3-5x on here and someone who plants food plots is sure to jump in and say "if a food plot is 50 acres, you can't shoot from one end to the other, but a bag of corn can be dumped out in one spot.." Problem is food plots are not usually 50 acres and are more like 1-2 acres and depending on layout you can cover that with a rifle. Even if it is a big plot and even if you scout and determine where the deer enter the field at, you can reasonably set yourself up to be successful, because even if the deer come into the field at a different point eventually they'll come back in at the point you're set up on. In the end they are coming to a food source...If you hunt property that has no fields, doesn't have a lot of mast, don't have permission to or have the means to plant food plots, I see no harm in putting out salt, corn, or whatever. I see no difference in killing a deer over a cut corn field or a winter wheat field in late December and shooting one over some "other" type of food.

 

[deerchaser007]

Baiting defined- To place a bait, be it on the ground,hook, or trap in order to lure in a animal or prey. Now, where in this definition does it say that if you place that bait 250 yards away and can't hunt in that 250 yard circle, that it's not baiting? It doesn't! The bait is placed, its BAITING! Either make it legal for all, or illegal for all, and do away with this stupid rule so the big landowners can control a deer population in their area.
And yes, I will hammer this home again in my letter to twra comments this year. If they gonna make it legal for some to bait, they gonna make it legal for all to bait. IMO

 

[Fitchj13]

I come from Louisiana. Hunted there, ark, Ms, and Tx before moving here. Hunted over food plots (.25 to 500 acres), corn feeders, mineral licks, sweet potatoes- you name it. I also hunted between bedding areas and bait or other food areas. I hunted draws, pinch points, transition areas, etc.

That said - I do not consider it a lack of effort , knowledge, etc to hunt over corn or other 'bait'. I do not see any difference in those than small food plots or mineral licks or spiking acorn trees to make the acorns sweeter. Found that alot of nicer bucks treat feeders just like food plots and skirt the area until dark - unless the area is not pressured. And deer eat persimmons, then acorns first - will completely ignore other "bait". I could call out all non traditional recurve bow hunters lazy, etc. I mean, who can't sit out somewhere and pop a deer at 300 yards with a rifle - yeah boy, that takes all sorts of effort. And FYI - I utilize all hunting seasons - just making a point.

Keep in mind that there are some places where you can not or are not allowed to put in any food plots. Or for those of us who are married, with kids, and dont have the luxury of a big lease with alot of people right down the road that can maintain food plots cause we don't have the time to devote to it - or when that 2 acre food plot did not take or burnt up...... That means you are limited to just salt/mineral licks and can't supplement 365 days. I just don't see what the issue is. Okay - rant over. Just my opinion.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

I come from Louisiana. Hunted there, ark, Ms, and Tx before moving here. Hunted over food plots (.25 to 500 acres), corn feeders, mineral licks, sweet potatoes- you name it. I also hunted between bedding areas and bait or other food areas. I hunted draws, pinch points, transition areas, etc.

That said - I do not consider it a lack of effort , knowledge, etc to hunt over corn or other 'bait'. I do not see any difference in those than small food plots or mineral licks or spiking acorn trees to make the acorns sweeter. Found that alot of nicer bucks treat feeders just like food plots and skirt the area until dark - unless the area is not pressured. And deer eat persimmons, then acorns first - will completely ignore other "bait". I could call out all non traditional recurve bow hunters lazy, etc. I mean, who can't sit out somewhere and pop a deer at 300 yards with a rifle - yeah boy, that takes all sorts of effort. And FYI - I utilize all hunting seasons - just making a point.

Keep in mind that there are some places where you can not or are not allowed to put in any food plots. Or for those of us who are married, with kids, and dont have the luxury of a big lease with alot of people right down the road that can maintain food plots cause we don't have the time to devote to it - or when that 2 acre food plot did not take or burnt up...... That means you are limited to just salt/mineral licks and can't supplement 365 days. I just don't see what the issue is. Okay - rant over. Just my opinion.

You made some very excellent points. Great post!


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