1 buck a year?

[BRTK]

Just wondering if any one thinks we should adopt this. I go out of state to hunt more than i really want to, for a chance at a mature buck. That being said, i do believe that our state, more specifically my county, has the potential to produce great whitetail deer. I believe it would help if we would go to 1 buck a year. Maybe we would be a lot more selective in what bucks we do and do not shoot? Look forward to hearing all your thoughts! I posted this in the general forum and they suggest i post it here. Really not looking to start an uproar just want to hear thoughts for and against this idea.

 

[dh1984]

here we go again popcorn anyone this is goin to be a long one again

 

[BSK]

BRTK,

This topic has been argued to death on this site.

I would VERY opposed to it. I see no indications we don't have adequate numbers of mature bucks now. A 1 buck limit would be limiting hunting/harvest opportunities unnecessarily.

We will never be a trophy state like KY and the Midwest because we don't have the super-quality habitat of those states.

 

[Yodel Dog]

I don't think it will ever happen, but let's just say the state gave it a shot. We, as hunters, would have to prove we're really willing to harvest does. The numbers would still have to meet what the state expects to see any other year. I don't think hunters would hold up their end of the bargain. I think a lot of hunters would kill their one buck and call it a season. But on the other hand, I think a lot of the hunters that normally harvest 2 or 3 bucks for the freezer may indeed take a couple extra does.

 

[TheLBLman]

I believe a simple annual 2-buck limit is the best compromise.

 

[BSK]

I believe a simple annual 2-buck limit is the best compromise.

I could live with that. I don't think it would make a bit of difference, but it is a good compromise.

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

I believe a simple annual 2-buck limit is the best compromise.

X2

 

[BowGuy84]

I believe as a part of the sign up process individuals should have to read the thread determined to be the best on 1 buck limit, mountain lions, and carrying while bowhunting.

i could live with 2 or one. Im fine with 3 too.

 

[Baxter83]

In before 500 pages of beating a dead horse.... Or before I post the picture of beating a dead horse......or before turds start flying

 

[DOC1187]

:sick:

 

[BSK]

...Or before I post the picture of beating a dead horse......or before turds start flying

That's funny!!!!

 

[redblood]

I know this has been debated a ton. I would be for it or a 2 buck limit. My question is, why do we assume that doe harvest would go buck if the buck limit was lowered. I don't shoot does anyway, but I believe most hunters still would, and maybe even more since they would be out of buck tags faster.

 

[Yodel Dog]

they would be out of buck tags faster.

Instead of killing a buck for the freezer, hunters might rather harvest a doe and save the tag for a good buck.

 

[BamaBucks]

To many Rednecks to have good deer in TN like in Kansas or Iowa...

They will still shoot trophy 3 pointers and just not check them out, just like they do now...Heck I know several that have killed deer and not checked them out this year, mostly cause we don't have a checking station anywhere near here that is open after 6pm....

 

[TN RDG RNR]

LOL knew the redneck factor would come into
play the only people that get blamed more than
us for Yalls failure every year is TWRA.
FUNNY stuff

 

[BSK]

I'm not going to argue that a low buck limit wouldn't "save" more yearling bucks from harvest. It certainly would, as we saw when the limit was dropped from 11 bucks to 2 in 1998. The problem was, those "saved" yearlings didn't show up in the harvest as 2 1/2 year-olds the next year. As I've said a million times, having more older bucks doesn't mean they will be harvested.

In addition, there is no evidence states with low buck limits kill a higher percentage of older bucks than TN hunters do. Heck, we just raised the buck limit for some parts of the state and hunters killed less yearlings and more older bucks in response.

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

In addition, there is no evidence states with low buck limits kill a higher percentage of older bucks than TN hunters do.

There is some data out that suggest states with lower limits are killing a higher % older bucks than we are. Some of it looks like we are about 5 years behind most of those states 3.5+ percentages. We are improving ever year, but so are the other states and our 3.5+ percentages are about where their 3.5+ percentages where 5 years ago.

 

[BSK]

In addition, there is no evidence states with low buck limits kill a higher percentage of older bucks than TN hunters do.

There is some data out that suggest states with lower limits are killing a higher % older bucks than we are. Some of it looks like we are about 5 years behind most of those states 3.5+ percentages. We are improving ever year, but so are the other states and our 3.5+ percentages are about where their 3.5+ percentages where 5 years ago.

What data would that be?

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

In addition, there is no evidence states with low buck limits kill a higher percentage of older bucks than TN hunters do.

There is some data out that suggest states with lower limits are killing a higher % older bucks than we are. Some of it looks like we are about 5 years behind most of those states 3.5+ percentages. We are improving ever year, but so are the other states and our 3.5+ percentages are about where their 3.5+ percentages where 5 years ago.

What data would that be?

I knew you where going to ask. It's on my other computer. I'll see if I can't post it this after noon.

 

[Buckhunter72]

To many Rednecks to have good deer in TN like in Kansas or Iowa...

They will still shoot trophy 3 pointers and just not check them out, just like they do now...Heck I know several that have killed deer and not checked them out this year, mostly cause we don't have a checking station anywhere near here that is open after 6pm....

Here is your chance to teach those "Rednecks" a lesson. Call the Game Warden.

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

In addition, there is no evidence states with low buck limits kill a higher percentage of older bucks than TN hunters do.

There is some data out that suggest states with lower limits are killing a higher % older bucks than we are. Some of it looks like we are about 5 years behind most of those states 3.5+ percentages. We are improving ever year, but so are the other states and our 3.5+ percentages are about where their 3.5+ percentages where 5 years ago.

What data would that be?

Arkansas.......2003 40% 3.5+
Georgia........2003 20% 3.5+
Mississippi....2003 54% 3.5+
Illinois.........2003 22% 3.5+
Tennessee.....2003 13% 3.5+

Tennessee.....2008 16% 3.5+

And just to be fair 2005 KY 2.5+ 52%
......................2005 TN 2.5+ 51%

 

[CopperHead77]

To many Rednecks to have good deer in TN like in Kansas or Iowa...

They will still shoot trophy 3 pointers and just not check them out, just like they do now...Heck I know several that have killed deer and not checked them out this year, mostly cause we don't have a checking station anywhere near here that is open after 6pm....

Most rednecks these days have the internet though,why not check'em in that way?????

 

[Yodel Dog]

As I've said a million times, having more older bucks doesn't mean they will be harvested.

There will be more older bucks though, right?

In addition, there is no evidence states with low buck limits kill a higher percentage of older bucks than TN hunters do.

What? I have seen gaggles of stats showing this is true. Sorry, I can't give you names of people who conducted these studies nor their credentials, but I have ran across this data several times.

 

[BSK]

[What data would that be?

Arkansas.......2003 40% 3.5+
Georgia........2003 20% 3.5+
Mississippi....2003 54% 3.5+
Illinois.........2003 22% 3.5+
Tennessee.....2003 13% 3.5+

Tennessee.....2008 16% 3.5+

And just to be fair 2005 KY 2.5+ 52%
......................2005 TN 2.5+ 51%

Arkansas and Mississippi outlawed the harvesting of yearling bucks (through antler restrictions), so that isn't a fair comparison.

Now let me update the data to this year for TN and compare against states with low buck bag limits (and GA has antler restrictions on the 2nd buck):

Georgia..........2003 20% 3.5+
Illinois............2003 22% 3.5+

Tennessee.......2009 21% 3.5+


Kentucky........2005 2.5+ 52%

Tennessee.......2009 2.5+ 63%


Where's the difference?

 

[BSK]

What? I have seen gaggles of stats showing this is true. Sorry, I can't give you names of people who conducted these studies nor their credentials, but I have ran across this data several times.

Show it to me. From a state that just uses low buck bag limits, not antler restrictions.

 

[westtntoms]

[What data would that be?

Arkansas.......2003 40% 3.5+
Georgia........2003 20% 3.5+
Mississippi....2003 54% 3.5+
Illinois.........2003 22% 3.5+
Tennessee.....2003 13% 3.5+

Tennessee.....2008 16% 3.5+

And just to be fair 2005 KY 2.5+ 52%
......................2005 TN 2.5+ 51%

Arkansas and Mississippi outlawed the harvesting of yearling bucks (through antler restrictions), so that isn't a fair comparison.

Now let me update the data to this year for TN and compare against states with low buck bag limits (and GA has antler restrictions on the 2nd buck):

Georgia..........2003 20% 3.5+
Illinois............2003 22% 3.5+

Tennessee.......2009 21% 3.5+


Kentucky........2005 2.5+ 52%

Tennessee.......2009 2.5+ 63%


Where's the difference?

BSK,

Regarding MS (I can't speak to the other states listed as I don't know), how accurate would their data be as they don't have a required check in procedure. Is this just a sampling, therefore considered to be accurate? My guess would be that people would tend to not check in non-legal bucks or even the younger legal bucks.

 

[Yodel Dog]

What? I have seen gaggles of stats showing this is true. Sorry, I can't give you names of people who conducted these studies nor their credentials, but I have ran across this data several times.

Show it to me. From a state that just uses low buck bag limits, not antler restrictions.

I'll find it, make take a while, but I'll find it.

 

[BSK]

Most of MS data comes from their landowner assistance programs, where deer harvest data is required to participate.

 

[westtntoms]

Most of MS data comes from their landowner assistance programs, where deer harvest data is required to participate.

Do you think this would be an accurate sampling? I'm not sure as to what percentage this might represent of the total state harvest.

 

[Yodel Dog]

Georgia..........2003 20% 3.5+
Illinois............2003 22% 3.5+

Tennessee.......2009 21% 3.5+


Kentucky........2005 2.5+ 52%

Tennessee.......2009 2.5+ 63%


Where's the difference?

The difference is 6 years in two cases, 4 in the next. I would like to see 09 results for every 1 buck state without antler restrictions. We'll probably have to wait til seasons end.