Huh? Say it ain’t so

buckaroo said:

Stallings I guess

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Huh?

deerfanatic said:

And to clarify a little father what the ncaa is investigating and possibly saying is a violation and what is known you start with the leak by the ncaa to the NYT. The NYT reported the investigation and said it was over a plane ride from the collective to Knoxville a month after Nico had signed his contact and became an employee of theirs. He did go on an unofficial visit to the school from that ride. The NCAA at the time has not deemed the collective a booster. That's where the school is saying you are trying to apply rules retroactively since they have since deemed them a booster. From a legal standpoint the NCAA doesn't seem to have any legs to stand on and on top of that their rules most likely violate the Sherman act and will be struck down.

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Stunning use of the Chewbacca defense Johnny Cochran.

Let's find out who owned the plane. That will be the tipping point.

prstide said:

People think it's the Wild Wild West right now, without the NCAA what would it be like? The NCAA dragged their feet on NIL and it's turned into an effin circus where schools are actively buying players. Total joke and it's ruining college football.

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There is the old man get off my lawn post. Newsflash sir, schools have been buying players since the 80's. The portal is what's doing the ruining.

prstide said:

No, I'm not wrong. Read the state laws. The way it's set up in Alabama is correct from the standpoint of what NIL is supposed to be. No high school athlete can sign an NIL. That's what we were talking about so how am I wrong?

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That may be the case for high schools in Alabama BUT several other states have it where high school students CAN sign NILs, Tennessee is included. By using your rationale,then your school doesn't recruit any athlete outside that state that has NILs since as you stated it is that state law? That is ludicrous. But then again I have to consider the source. Anyway have a good day
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bowhunterfanatic said:

There is the old man get off my lawn post. Newsflash sir, schools have been buying players since the 80's. The portal is what's doing the ruining.

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Where did I ever say it's not been going on since long before this? Sure it has but it couldn't be blatant and in your face like it is now because there was no legislation on the books "permitting" and or muddying the waters enough to where it could be easily gotten away with. Just think if Pruitt had delayed the McD's bag scheme a couple years—could've just claimed NIL deals with McDonalds!!
The portal has existed since 2018 and it wasn't until the NIL stuff came about that it's become what it is. The portal is fine and it has its place within reason and with limits.

volboy said:

That may be the case for high schools in Alabama BUT several other states have it where high school students CAN sign NILs, Tennessee is included. By using your rationale,then your school doesn't recruit any athlete outside that state that has NILs since as you stated it is that state law? That is ludicrous. But then again I have to consider the source. Anyway have a good day
I'm out

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You're assuming too much and getting ahead of yourself. We were talking about high school recruits signing deals BEFORE they become student athletes. I've made no comment about already existing collegiate athletes transferring who have had NIL deals. State laws dictate what can and can't happen with NIL in their given jurisdictions. I don't feel like that's too hard to comprehend is it? If they have something in place that is against the state laws I would guess they may not be eligible at that state's schools.
If you used my rationale your username would never be what it is and you'd be wearing the beautiful script A. Try harder next time.

prstide said:

Stunning use of the Chewbacca defense Johnny Cochran.

Let's find out who owned the plane. That will be the tipping point.

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Doesn't matter who owned the plane as long as it was paid for.

wayne said:

Doesn't matter who owned the plane as long as it was paid for.

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**unless it's a booster.

prstide said:

**unless it's a booster.

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A booster can rent their plane to anybody they want to.

NIL just about bankrupted Dodge. Saban couldnt hand out Chargers like Halloween candy to a fat kid anymore.

wayne said:

A booster can rent their plane to anybody they want to.

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bigquacks said:

NIL just about bankrupted Dodge. Saban couldnt hand out Chargers like Halloween candy to a fat kid anymore.

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He was handing out Mercedes. Nobody wanted a broke down Dodge.

prstide said:

No, they are floating that idea out there trying to gain public support to make the NCAA back off.
Do I care what talking heads say to gain your views so they get money from advertisers…absolutely not.
Where have I celebrated anything? If UT broke the rules, hammer em. If they didn't, good for them. The same goes for Alabama. There are rules in place for a reason—that's how our society functions. If neither or both schools got hammered for violations, I won't lose any sleep over it either way.
I'm not one championing to boot the NCAA from being the governing body over college football so this isn't a rahrah let's fight together issue for me. People think it's the Wild Wild West right now, without the NCAA what would it be like? The NCAA dragged their feet on NIL and it's turned into an effin circus where schools are actively buying players. Total joke and it's ruining college football.
Think there have been people on this forum that said it's stemming from the use of a boosters private jet to fly him on unofficial visits. There is no retroactive enforcement needed if that's what this is about—that rule has been on the books FOREVER.

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So with your advanced degree in contract law, you are saying a booster could not lease his private jet to a private group at market value- if a booster was even the source?

Are you giving the NCAA your legal expertise pro bono, or are you making bank like the other lawyers?

prstide said:

Stunning use of the Chewbacca defense Johnny Cochran.

Let's find out who owned the plane. That will be the tipping point.

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Let me just save you the trouble since you seem incapable of comprehending what I laid out and explained which was correct btw but the plane was owned by a booster. Nico used it through the vol club who owned his rights and he had signed a deal and who at the time hadn't been deemed a booster and wasn't officially of affiliated with the university so guess what that means in court. No rules broken. Not at that time. Since they've been declared a booster and it would be a benefit that's illegal. This is the equivalent of the state having the speed limit at 70 and changing it a week later to 55 and wanting to give you a speeding ticket for driving 70 2 months ago. Also there's the whole Sherman act the NCAA is violating. That law states a group of individuals or entities cannot collude to keep individuals for maximizing their potential earnings. The NCAA saying collectives can't talk money with athletes and let them know their fair market value is keeping them from earning all they can. They are dead ducks and that's why they wrote that release yesterday saying further legal process will impeded their rule enforcing ability. Surely you see how this is gonna play out. And yes the bama collective has given numbers out to athletes before they signed with the university or they wouldn't sign with them which is against the rules. Every collective does it. It's asinine and not realistic to think that's not what is going on everywhere

prstide said:

You're assuming too much and getting ahead of yourself. We were talking about high school recruits signing deals BEFORE they become student athletes. I've made no comment about already existing collegiate athletes transferring who have had NIL deals. State laws dictate what can and can't happen with NIL in their given jurisdictions. I don't feel like that's too hard to comprehend is it? If they have something in place that is against the state laws I would guess they may not be eligible at that state's schools.
If you used my rationale your username would never be what it is and you'd be wearing the beautiful script A. Try harder next time.

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News flash: A high school recruit IS a student athlete.

scn said:

So with your advanced degree in contract law, you are saying a booster could not lease his private jet to a private group at market value- if a booster was even the source?

Are you giving the NCAA your legal expertise pro bono, or are you making bank like the other lawyers?

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Players families have always leased vehicles from Saban's Mercedes dealerships. So using prstide's logic, that's a violation.

My God, think of all the players and families that bought gas at a Pilot. Tennessee's last 40 years should have an astrik beside it. Vacate all wins.

scn said:

News flash: A high school recruit IS a student athlete.

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You're correct but I was implying at the collegiate level.

scn said:

So with your advanced degree in contract law, you are saying a booster could not lease his private jet to a private group at market value- if a booster was even the source?

Are you giving the NCAA your legal expertise pro bono, or are you making bank like the other lawyers?

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Sure he could. You're assuming just as much as the others in the thread. Did they lease it….guess we will find out if that's what this was about.

Have you watched the YouTube video I posted with the head of Spyre?

wayne said:

Players families have always leased vehicles from Saban's Mercedes dealerships. So using prstide's logic, that's a violation.

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Considering he's only had the dealerships for a few years this statement is untrue. Do better.