Heck of a 2 1/2

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That is a pretty fair sized chunk to be able to manage. I would try my best to let that deer go until at least 4.5.
As I stated previously, we grow plenty of 4 1/2+ year old bucks (59 in the last 21 years). But we sure don't kill them (we've killed 11 in the last 21 years). But then, we're not mature buck hunters. Just recreational hunters. I was a mature buck hunter for a while, and was somewhat successful, but I didn't enjoy that kind of hunting.
 

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As I stated previously, we grow plenty of 4 1/2+ year old bucks (59 in the last 21 years). But we sure don't kill them (we've killed 11 in the last 21 years). But then, we're not mature buck hunters. Just recreational hunters. I was a mature buck hunter for a while, and was somewhat successful, but I didn't enjoy that kind of hunting.
I get it, to each their own. You have some nice genetics, and obviously have enough ground to let some grow if that was your thing.

I myself am just a deer hunter, I wouldn't categorize myself any other way. While I like to hold out for the most mature buck I get pics of, often times those deer disappear and I may never see them. It would be unrealistic on my small tract to hold out for deer that aren't here. That said I won't deliberately shoot any deer younger than 3.5, and pass most 3.5's.

Good luck on the buck in your pictures, he has unreal potential. He should add quite a few inches by next year.
 

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I get it, to each their own. You have some nice genetics, and obviously have enough ground to let some grow if that was your thing.

I myself am just a deer hunter, I wouldn't categorize myself any other way. While I like to hold out for the most mature buck I get pics of, often times those deer disappear and I may never see them. It would be unrealistic on my small tract to hold out for deer that aren't here. That said I won't deliberately shoot any deer younger than 3.5, and pass most 3.5's.

Good luck on the buck in your pictures, he has unreal potential. He should add quite a few inches by next year.
I hope I get the chance to see him next year. If he is anything like "average," I would expect him to add about 15-20 inches. Below is an example. First video, rare 2 1/2 year-old 10-pointer last year. I had him at somewhere around 115-120. Second video, same buck this year in same location. As a 3 1/2, he grossed 131.
 

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I hope I get the chance to see him next year. If he is anything like "average," I would expect him to add about 15-20 inches. Below is an example. First video, rare 2 1/2 year-old 10-pointer last year. I had him at somewhere around 115-120. Second video, same buck this year in same location. As a 3 1/2, he grossed 131.
If being on the conservative side, and he makes his biggest jump between 3.5 and 4.5, adds 35 inches in the next 2 years, he could be pushing 160 at 4.5. Whatever happens with him good luck.
 

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If being on the conservative side, and he makes his biggest jump between 3.5 and 4.5, adds 35 inches in the next 2 years, he could be pushing 160 at 4.5. Whatever happens with him good luck.
Just looking at averages, and not individual deer, our average 2 1/2 is 82.5. Our average 4 1/2 is 120. That's a 45% increase (again, on average). But that's because our average 2 1/2 is a small 8-point. I'm not sure a 2 1/2 buck like this 11-point is going increase as much.
 

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What blows my mind about this is that I have killed 5 deer on a completely unmanaged 19 acre parcel with too much hunting pressure that are all 125" plus. These would apparently make the top 10 for your place, which I am confident is managed extremely well.

All in the last 10 years and not counting bucks from other properties.

Maybe I should complain less and count blessings more.
What's amusing is the difference between what exists in the woods and what hunters kill. Hunters target the largest antlered bucks of each age-class. So when hunters tell me what their "average" antler score for a certain age-class is, they are telling me the average harvested buck antler score, not the average of what is on the property. I've posted many times the average scores per age-class (estimated from trail-camera pictures) for my property. Yet TN hunters will say my numbers are way low compared to where they hunt. Maybe. But I do find it interesting that my averages per age-class are within 2 inches for every age-class of what the famous King Ranch in TX grows. Not the average of what hunters kill on the King Ranch (those are super high because hunters only kill the very best of each age-class), but what the ground actually produces. I also have the data for the Faith Ranch in TX, and their numbers are similar to my place and the King Ranch.
 
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For example, I've killed 3 1/2 year-old bucks from my place that scored 157 1/8, 139 2/8 and 131 3/8. Yet the average 3 1/2 on place is only 105. Why? Because I can show you a slew of trail-camera pictures of 3 1/2 year-old bucks that score less than 90, and some less than 80. The 3 1/2 on my place that tops 120 gross is a rare critter. They exist, but they are rare.
 

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What's amusing is the difference between what exists in the woods and what hunters kill. Hunters target the largest antlered bucks of each age-class. So when hunters tell me what their "average" antler score for a certain age-class is, they are telling me the average harvested buck antler score, not the average of what is on the property. I've posted many times the average scores per age-class (estimated from trail-camera pictures) for my property. Yet TN hunters will say my numbers are way low compared to where they hunt. Maybe. But I do find it interesting that my averages per age-class are within 2 inches for every age-class of what the famous King Ranch in TX grows. Not the average of what hunters kill on the King Ranch (those are super high because hunters only kill the very best of each age-class), but what the ground actually produces. I also have the data for the Faith Ranch in TX, and their numbers are similar to my place and the King Ranch.
My trail cam pics for 2.5 year old are nowhere near what you post here. One of the best 2.5 year old 8's i have ever gotten pics of would be this one. This is the high end, most are nowhere near this, likely 15-20 inches smaller. I would guess our 2.5 year old here for the most part are lucky to get in the mid 90's inch range.
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And I did see him and let him walk. Not so sure others have done the same as I have not gotten pics of him in a couple weeks.
 

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If being on the conservative side, and he makes his biggest jump between 3.5 and 4.5, adds 35 inches in the next 2 years, he could be pushing 160 at 4.5. Whatever happens with him good luck.
He almost certainly won't make his biggest jump between 3.5 and 4.5.

The biggest jump (by inches of antler) is from 1.5 to 2.5. - In that year they about double in size.

The next biggest jump is 2.5 to 3.5, and so on.

A reasonable progression for this deer might be:

2.5 - 120"
3.5 - 134"
4.5 - 146"
5.5 - 156"
6.5 - 162"

He's incredibly impressive for a 2.5yo!
 

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He almost certainly won't make his biggest jump between 3.5 and 4.5.

The biggest jump (by inches of antler) is from 1.5 to 2.5. - In that year they about double in size.

The next biggest jump is 2.5 to 3.5, and so on.

A reasonable progression for this deer might be:

2.5 - 120"
3.5 - 134"
4.5 - 146"
5.5 - 156"
6.5 - 162"

He's incredibly impressive for a 2.5yo!
Ok, you know what I meant. Excluding from fawns to yearlings, the biggest jump in adult bucks according to many "experts" is between 3.5 and 4.5 he's old. That is agreed upon by several "experts".
 

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I wouldn't say I regret shooting this Benton County deer, but If I could have a magic ticket to bring one buck back to life and watch him grow, it would be this one. I hadn't been hunting seriously very long, never even thought about passing this deer and was as happy as could be.

But I have some reasons to believe that this was a yearling buck. If you said 2.5 I wouldn't argue it. But, you can tell from this picture that he was very, very young. Very narrow snout. Small frame. His live weight was 107 lbs, and in hindsight his behavior was very much that of a yearling buck.

Either way....

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Ok, you know what I meant. Excluding from fawns to yearlings, the biggest jump in adult bucks according to many "experts" is between 3.5 and 4.5 he's old. That is agreed upon by several "experts".
I don't know who these experts are, but the science doesn't agree with them. Check out MSU labs data for example. Average buck grows 12" of antlers from 3.5 to 4.5. Starting at 4.5 is really when they start putting on a lot of antler mass because skeletal growth is finished, but that doesn't add a ton of inches of antler.

3.5 to 4.5 is the biggest shift into what we consider a "big deer", but not by % of antler or inches of growth.
 

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Starting at 4.5 is really when they start putting on a lot of antler mass because skeletal growth is finished, but that doesn't add a ton of inches of antler.
Starting at age 4, in the spring is when they start growing, they don't start the season growing antlers at age 4.5. At 4.5 would be about when they stop growing antlers for that season. Agree that for the most part their skeletal system is done growing by 4 and more growth goes to their antlers. Adult deer antlers typically show more growth between 3.5 and 4.5. I have read that from multiple sources over the years, and the reasoning is exactly what you said, you just have the aging off by a half year 😉
 

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@BSK what brand camera? I had the same question lol
Browning Spec Ops Elite HP4s and HP5s. Love them! Although, to be honest, I think their video is better than their still images. But for my own property, all I use now is video. Very slow analysis for video, but I love all that I can learn from video.
 

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Here are the average gross scores from my place, and these averages very closely match the averages for the Faith and King Ranches in TX. My data comes from estimating the scores of 793 bucks over 21 years of trail-camera pictures. I'll have to look up how many bucks were in the Faith and King Ranch numbers, but probably not more than that. The Faith and King Ranch data comes from actually placing hands on captured bucks and measuring them before releasing them. They would ear tag a large number of button bucks each year, so they knew the exact age of ear-tagged bucks captured in later years.

1 1/2 - 45
2 1/2 - 82.5 (percent increase from previous year - 83%)
3 1/2 - 105 (percent increase from previous year - 27%)
4 1/2 - 120 (percent increase from previous year - 14%)
5 1/2+ - 125 (percent increase from previous year - 4%)
 
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