Wrangler95
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For those that are interested,here is harvest for each county thru Apr 18!!
Harvest Reports by Animal | Hunter's Toolbox | Go Outdoors Tennessee
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Folks are slamming jakes this year for some reason.I was actually just going through some of the statewide numbers yesterday. Using the same time range (first 17 days of regular season plus juvenile weekend):
2022 - 20,389 turkeys killed
2021 - 23,598 turkeys killed
We are currently about 13.6% down from last year in total kill numbers. Not terribly surprising given recent trends. But we will probably still kill > 30,000 by year end, so those who measure population health only by kill numbers will insist that there is nothing to worry about.
One thing that concerns me (among several) is the jake kill numbers. Although the total kill numbers have decreased by more than 13%, the jake kill numbers have increased by more than 30% (3012 vs 2308 this time last year).
There's been a 73% increase in the jake harvest on WMA's through the first 3 weekends of the regular season.Folks are slamming jakes this year for some reason.
If that's because there are so many jakes from a population explosion last year, maybe we'll be ok...
but in prior years with excellent prior year's hatch, Jake harvest has never been over 17% in my counties... This year it's up to 27% IIRC. That's a major problem.
Jakes need to be off limits to everyone except kids for sustainable (my future grandkids) harvest
I've referenced the turkey busts in MO and AR in the past but in both cases, the jake harvest exploded. In retrospect, it was a leading indicator of fewer adult toms available to kill and folks simply didn't want to eat a tag. Not sure if that's what's happening here or not but it for sure happened in those 2 states.One thing that concerns me (among several) is the jake kill numbers.
I'd love this! Except I think we could go back to a 4 bird limit with opening dates after hens have been bred if we outlawed jake killing. I don't need or want to kill 4 birds in TN... but it might pacify the killers who wouldn't want to give up the end of March/ first of April start dates.I think we will have a statewide opener the 3rd Saturday in April with a limit of 2 turkeys within the next 5 years.
Just hate that it will be 8-10 years later than it should have been.
I've talked to several younger folks who say they don't really care if it's a jake or longbeard. A turkey is a turkey to them.I've referenced the turkey busts in MO and AR in the past but in both cases, the jake harvest exploded. In retrospect, it was a leading indicator of fewer adult toms available to kill and folks simply didn't want to eat a tag. Not sure if that's what's happening here or not but it for sure happened in those 2 states.
Most hunters aren't gonna kill a jake if there's available toms to kill.
Obviously a lot can happen between now and then, but in 2024 that would be the 20th of April. That would be a hard sell to the majority of hunters.I think we will have a statewide opener the 3rd Saturday in April with a limit of 2 turkeys within the next 5 years.
Just hate that it will be 8-10 years later than it should have been.
I've talked to several younger folks who say they don't really care if it's a jake or longbeard. A turkey is a turkey to them.
I'm willing to make a bet that the increase in Jake kills are coming from out of state hunters. It's tough spending a bunch of money to hunt away from home only to go home empty handed. It would be nice for TWRA to show that data!There's been a 73% increase in the jake harvest on WMA's through the first 3 weekends of the regular season.
Non-res license sales were WAY up last year but that didn't increase the jake kill. Maybe I'm being Chicken Little — I hope that's the case — but I'm guessing the increased jake kill is due largely to the lack of available gobblers. Many people only hunt one or two farms. If they go to those farms, hear a few gobblers, and feel like they'll kill one soon, the jakes aren't as tempting. If they go 2-3 times and listen to silent sunrises, then call up a pack of jakes . . . Out-of-staters likely do the same thing in that scenario, but it's not unique to them.I'm willing to make a bet that the increase in Jake kills are coming from out of state hunters. It's tough spending a bunch of money to hunt away from home only to go home empty handed. It would be nice for TWRA to show that data!
I seen a younger guy on Facebook from Pennsylvania couple weeks ago he was talking about how his groupI'm willing to make a bet that the increase in Jake kills are coming from out of state hunters. It's tough spending a bunch of money to hunt away from home only to go home empty handed. It would be nice for TWRA to show that data!
The Jake harvest is probably due to the number of Jakes this year. I've seen more than I ever have, they are everywhere. I think maybe some are getting shot because hunters have seen the high numbers and aren't worried about knocking one off. Then there is probably some hunters killing one that normally wouldn't be able to get an adult. I just wish the dang jakes would stop harassing the gobblers I'm trying to work.
Saw that say they do it every year...I seen a younger guy on Facebook from Pennsylvania couple weeks ago he was talking about how his group
Came down and limited out first week of season. 8/9 was jakes come to find out Had to fill them tags….
I think we will have a statewide opener the 3rd Saturday in April with a limit of 2 turkeys within the next 5 years. I do hate that it will be 8-10 years later than it should have been.
Obviously a lot can happen between now and then, but in 2024 that would be the 20th of April. That would be a hard sell to the
You are probably right but protecting jakes would be hard because it's obviously too difficult to tell the difference in a mature tom and a jake or even a hen based on how the current regs are written.I'd love this! Except I think we could go back to a 4 bird limit with opening dates after hens have been bred if we outlawed jake killing. I don't need or want to kill 4 birds in TN... but it might pacify the killers who wouldn't want to give up the end of March/ first of April start dates.
Give folks a choice. 1 bird limit if u kill before April 15th. Or 4 bird limit if u wait to kill until after April 15th. Earn an additional tag for every 10 coons removed.
I am all for pushing the season back; even if it is just one week. Think it would help a ton on the NR pressure on public lands.I think we will have a statewide opener the 3rd Saturday in April with a limit of 2 turkeys within the next 5 years.
Just hate that it will be 8-10 years later than it should have been.
Yep they're whacking them where I hunt. called in 7-8 first day of season. Just from what I heard and knowing the gobbles I heard were jake gobbles, I think 3 have been limb lifted, but I haven't seen any in that area since weekend #2, so they may have wiped them all out.I was actually just going through some of the statewide numbers yesterday. Using the same time range (first 17 days of regular season plus juvenile weekend):
2022 - 20,389 turkeys killed
2021 - 23,598 turkeys killed
We are currently about 13.6% down from last year in total kill numbers. Not terribly surprising given recent trends. But we will probably still kill > 30,000 by year end, so those who measure population health only by kill numbers will insist that there is nothing to worry about.
One thing that concerns me (among several) is the jake kill numbers. Although the total kill numbers have decreased by more than 13%, the jake kill numbers have increased by more than 30% (3012 vs 2308 this time last year).