Smokeless Rem 700 build or a 45/70 build

[Jcalder]

As a reloaded I have some of both systems. After this season I believe I've become a deer watcher and paper puncher lol. Almost depressing but the 2 buckers should be happy.

Good to know that the parkers don't need sized. I'm sure when I get to do one I'll have a ton of questions for those that have done it before


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[lungpuncher1]

As a reloaded I have some of both systems. After this season I believe I've become a deer watcher and paper puncher lol. Almost depressing but the 2 buckers should be happy.

Good to know that the parkers don't need sized. I'm sure when I get to do one I'll have a ton of questions for those that have done it before


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There's definitely a learning curve with this stuff lol. Good thing is though alot of good guys to help you out.

Bsckstraps on here has been really helpful to me.

 

[Jcalder]

There's several here that have done it and are very helpful.




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[smalljawbasser]

I scanned through and didn't see this tidbit posted. If it's a repeat, I apologize.

If you hunt in a manner that requires you to walk any distance, you may well prefer one of the 45/70 conversions over the Rem 700. If you ride an atv to a stand or shooting house it won't matter. I have a couple brutal hikes and I can't imagine carrying the Rem 700 rifle I had.

Personally, I found it to be every bit as frustrating and aggravating as every other form of muzzleloading I've ever tried, plus more expensive. I have no need for 200+ yard shots, and went back to bh209 and my old knight and haven't looked back.

 

[lungpuncher1]

I scanned through and didn't see this tidbit posted. If it's a repeat, I apologize.

If you hunt in a manner that requires you to walk any distance, you may well prefer one of the 45/70 conversions over the Rem 700. If you ride an atv to a stand or shooting house it won't matter. I have a couple brutal hikes and I can't imagine carrying the Rem 700 rifle I had.

Personally, I found it to be every bit as frustrating and aggravating as every other form of muzzleloading I've ever tried, plus more expensive. I have no need for 200+ yard shots, and went back to bh209 and my old knight and haven't looked back.

I just got tired of cleaning. I shot bh209 and it was by far better than 777 but you still have to clean. I was constantly worried about if i should hunt with a clean or dirty barrel. Just looking for a change towards more consistency.

 

[Roost 1]

I'd say for practical hunting the 209 would be just fine. Others may dis-agree but that's fine with me. 300yds is about as far as I can shoot on any of my properties.

 

[Roost 1]

I would suggest if you plan on shooting sabotless in a break open to stick with a moderate load and you will most likely
want a bushing plug or you will be changing vent liners very regularly. Sabotless creates much higher pressures. Be careful!
You can google Eds Gun Shop or pm Mcgowen 45 over on Doug's. I'm pretty sure that is Carlos' handle. Andy S. Can give you all the info you need, I think.

 

[lungpuncher1]

I would suggest if you plan on shooting sabotless in a break open to stick with a moderate load and you will most likely
want a bushing plug or you will be changing vent liners very regularly. Sabotless creates much higher pressures. Be careful!
You can google Eds Gun Shop or pm Mcgowen 45 over on Doug's. I'm pretty sure that is Carlos' handle. Andy S. Can give you all the info you need, I think.

My plan is to shoot a 250gr parker be bullet and try to find a load between 55 and 60gr of 4198. That sound safe to you?

The plug im getting through Luke at arrowhead is a bushing plug.

 

[Roost 1]

55-60grs of h4198 sounds safe enough... I'm using 60grs h4198 with a saboted load. Not sure how much higher I'd go sabotless, maybe someone else with more knowledge will chime in. We have some very knowledgeable guys on here.
Might consider using a dry wool wad under your bullet of choice.
Good luck and show us your results when you get it figured out.

 

[lungpuncher1]

55-60grs of h4198 sounds safe enough... I'm using 60grs h4198 with a saboted load. Not sure how much higher I'd go sabotless, maybe someone else with more knowledge will chime in. We have some very knowledgeable guys on here.
Might consider using a dry wool wad under your bullet of choice.
Good luck and show us your results when you get it figured out.

I definitely will.

The gun has a brake so im not sure if a dry wool wad will work with that or not.

Thanks for your help

 

[lungpuncher1]

Finally went and picked up my scout v2 45-70. Pretty nice rifle for 350$. Seems tight, trigger is very nice also surprisingly.

Believe I'm going to send it to bestill next week. He's also going to make me a thread protector for the brake so i don't have to worry about loading through the brake if i don't want to.

 

[Tennessee Lead]

Can't wait to see it finished


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[GMB54]

I would stick to 60gr of 4198 and a 300gr bullet as max in the break actions with a 1"-1.1" OD barrel. The Apex has a 1.1" barrel and can handle a little hotter load but i would not risk it...i tend to be more cautious than some.

That may sound a bit wimpy but 57gr and a 275gr BE is moving around 2400fps. Using a 250gr bullet you might be on the edge of pressure starvation. More than likely less than 30Kpsi and as low as 26Kpsi. A bit more pressure will make it more reliable and temp stable. Either use a heavier bullet or duplex. Try something like 10gr of N110, 5744 or 4759 under 45-48gr of 4198 for starters. My best guess is around 10/50 would be close to my comfortable max with a 250gr bullet in the thinner barrels.

A 300gr is over 2300fps and the pressure is very reasonable.

You might also consider low amounts of N110 (35ish grains) or even a little more 4759. Both will be rock solid dependable, low recoil and still get you into the 2300fps range with ease. The little 200gr FTX is dynamite for these kind of loads if you can get it to shoot well.

 

[lungpuncher1]

I would stick to 60gr of 4198 and a 300gr bullet as max in the break actions with a 1"-1.1" OD barrel. The Apex has a 1.1" barrel and can handle a little hotter load but i would not risk it...i tend to be more cautious than some.

That may sound a bit wimpy but 57gr and a 275gr BE is moving around 2400fps. Using a 250gr bullet you might be on the edge of pressure starvation. More than likely less than 30Kpsi and as low as 26Kpsi. A bit more pressure will make it more reliable and temp stable. Either use a heavier bullet or duplex. Try something like 10gr of N110, 5744 or 4759 under 45-48gr of 4198 for starters. My best guess is around 10/50 would be close to my comfortable max with a 250gr bullet in the thinner barrels.

A 300gr is over 2300fps and the pressure is very reasonable.

I think I'm going to order 275 parker be and 300 parker be. And start out at 55gr of 4198 and work up to no more than 60gr.

You think that sounds good?

Also been considering the 302 bomb but ive heard ill need to size it. Which I can but i have to borrow a buddies press right now as i don't have one yet. So I'd like to get away without sizing if possible.

 

[GMB54]

Yes, that sounds great.

Right around 56-57gr and a 275gr BE should be a very good load and plenty safe. I would chrono it in hot and cold weather. If you see a large swing in fps then duplex or move up to the 300gr.

 

[lungpuncher1]

Yes, that sounds great.

Right around 56-57gr and a 275gr BE should be a very good load and plenty safe. I would chrono it in hot and cold weather. If you see a large swing in fps then duplex or move up to the 300gr.

Would you just start with the 300?

 

[GMB54]

Not really. The 275gr BE is usually very accurate but somewhat fragile if you hit too much bone. I would suggest seeing how much recoil you want to tolerate first and how well they shoot for you. Ive seen lots of conversions shooting the 275gr BE with 56-57ish grains of 4198 and the targets usually look very good to me.

 

[lungpuncher1]

Sounds good. Thanks for your help.

 

[lungpuncher1]

Not really. The 275gr BE is usually very accurate but somewhat fragile if you hit too much bone. I would suggest seeing how much recoil you want to tolerate first and how well they shoot for you. Ive seen lots of conversions shooting the 275gr BE with 56-57ish grains of 4198 and the targets usually look very good to me.

I've decided to go with the 195 barnes or the 200 sst with a hlb sabot. Still going to use the 4198, will my original plan of trying 55 to 60 gr of 4198 still be good?

 

[Roost 1]

Yep..... Most of us shoot 60gr of h4198 with that bullet/sabot combo