Front of Center, single bevel/double bevel, sharpening jigs? Micro diameter-5mm 4 mm? What is going on? I leave it for a few years and the world goes crazy! I had just heard about mechanical broadheads and now they seem to be obsolete. Oh well, i just got 2 packs of the same broadheads i shot in 1992 -muzzy 3blade. Time to hunt lol
When did archery, become nerd science class?
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It's gotten complicated. I'll just stick with my traditional bows.
I would like to try that at some point!
It's EXTREMELY addicting.
Mescalero
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A lot about the physics of archery, and everything behind FOC, single/double bevel, weight, etc. Dr. Ed Ashby on the MeatEater podcast. The good doctor's an entertaining Texan. He's all about penetration and pass-through.
https://www.themeateater.com/listen/meateater/ep-284-the-archers-paradox
https://www.themeateater.com/listen/meateater/ep-284-the-archers-paradox
sharpshooter
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I first heard of FOC and single/double bevel when I was into traditional archery.
It's humorous to me some of the lengths folks go to shoot a 150 pound deer. I was shooting through them and burying up in dirt in 1993 with some pretty simple gear. The game has not changed, but again, folks like to over-analyze and over-complicate things, and spend money on the latest and greatest, and that is what we see many times with archery gear for the sake of killing a whitetail deer.
Duck dogn
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Yes redblood I agree it's over the top with tuning now. I still shoot mathews switchback with Easton epic arrows. 100 grain mechanicals. I talked to a guy the other day that shoots precision strings, 400 grain arrows which is 200 grain boadhead with 100 grain inserts. Arrow is 100 grain. And a list of other factors..... forget that I will stick to my normal stuff with practice.
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I'm guilty!!! I'm a tinkerer by nature. I just can't leave anything well enough alone. 2 years ago, it was high FOC and single-bevel broadheads. Last year I went back to traditional. This year, its a compound shooting a standard 408 grain arrow/head combo, but all my components have to have the same camo pattern. Who knows what I'll change next year. I just can't not do something different. It's not just with hunting either. I'm worse when it comes to fly fishing.
None of that stuff matters if you can't get on the deer in the first place. And I'm still learning to hunt, probably always will. I'll worry about equipment when I've mastered hunting.
BSK
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What's even more in vane is being able to get on the deer but being a lousy shot at live deer! I could drill a target all day, but on deer, I truly sucked! My first year bow-hunting I missed over 40 times. Only took a couple more fruitless and frustrating years to give it up.
I just finished this one today. Dr. Ashby gives you a lot to think about for sure!
THEdonkey0515
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Its not just bow hunting its everything hunting related.
Advertisement and money rackets.
Some 20 year old on TV thats never hunted anything besides a private farm in Iowa. telling hunters what gear they MUST have to be successful. Alot of people eat that stuff up.
Advertisement and money rackets.
Some 20 year old on TV thats never hunted anything besides a private farm in Iowa. telling hunters what gear they MUST have to be successful. Alot of people eat that stuff up.
Mescalero
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"Resistance quadruples as speed doubles."
I'm hunting with a sharpened stick this year. Won't be any worse than my success with my $1200 bow. If the stick doesn't work....I'm throwing rocks.
A hydroflex 4000, double beveled, smooth face, mercury laced rock mind you
A hydroflex 4000, double beveled, smooth face, mercury laced rock mind you
Ain't that the truth! That's probably not far off from what I have at any given time, and I'm a minimalist. That said, I don't buy junk. I don't have a lot but what I do have is high quality, from my bow to my boots. Wince once so they say. I hate having to buy stuff over & over. Boots are the worst. Can't find a pair of boots anymore that'll last more than a season or two unless you're trading in your first born.
The difference between back in the day and now is the distance that people are trying to shoot them, I'll admit I like shooting out to 90-100yds just to say I did it in practice but don't believe I've shot at a deer over 25yds
Yeah its hard enough to make the desired shot at 25 when your heart is pounding out of your chest. Its not even the same thing as shooting at a target. Its the most exciting way to take a whitetail deer.
Willysman
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Don't know how those poor old Indians got by with a string bow and flintstone broadheads.
It all means nothing when your shooting 125lb woods goats like we have here in east tn, a simple 40lb bow with muzzys or thunderheads will pass completely through a rib cage 95 percent of the time out to reasonable distance
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Sounds like fishing.
I had a box of plastics that weighed 20 lbs when I had a boat and fished for smallie son the Great Lakes.
Used a 4" Kalimantan grub 90% of the time.
We love buying fishing tackle.
Don't even get me started on my flyfishing stuff.
I had a box of plastics that weighed 20 lbs when I had a boat and fished for smallie son the Great Lakes.
Used a 4" Kalimantan grub 90% of the time.
We love buying fishing tackle.
Don't even get me started on my flyfishing stuff.
Archery isn't JUST for deer, and shots under 30 yards. That's the thing to keep in mind. That may be all you do with archery gear, and may not ever take shots past 20 yards. Some of my favorite spots, during bow season, you can barely SEE 20 yards. But I assure you, people out west that are hunting open ground, are shooting well beyond 20 yards. AND they are hunting animals bigger then the average TN whitetail deer. So some of the gear, articles, etc are aimed for that arena.
Correct, but plenty of TN guys/hunters who shoot 30 yards max eat it up too. Those guys with the matching arrow wraps to shoot 75 pound does are the ones I speak of.
Harold Money jr
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I've always liked most of the technical side of archery. A LOT of it is completely unnecessary. But, it's fun to tinker. The reason people shoot such heavy weight inserts is they have to, to get a more forgiving light carbon arrow and to help meet weight and spine goals. It also helps push the big mechanicals deeper into deer. My .02 worth is after killing dozens of deer with a recurve and compound is you want the arrow through the lungs and out the other side. The thing that took me the longest to learn was that a bigger cut does not mean a bit on blood trail distance. I'm talking 1"-2" cut. I actually prefer the smaller cuts ( 1 1/8") nowadays. They generally walk or trot off instead of tearing out and running like crazy for the same 4-10 secs that the big mechanicals and even cut on contact broad heads. I will say after having trouble on a couple blood trails I don't like narrow 2 blades. I know some do but I want 3-4 blades personally. You can get as technical as you want!! Good luck to all this season.
JN
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I am the same way just can't leave something alone. It drive my wife nuts. She will ask but what is wrong with it and I will say nothing I just have to know how it works and I can make it better.
I was just amazed at how much it all has changed. I can remember were too expensive for me as a high school boy. No a 6 pack of them at 33 dollars, is cheaper than one single 2 blade head ( iron will ). When i set my bow up, the tech asked me he needed to know what kind of broadhead i was gonna shoot to properly spine my arrows. He asked im if i was gonna shoot a solid single bevel like iron will or a cheap light broadhead like a muzzy? I knew i wasnt in Kansas anymore lol! Unless the deer got tougher, muzzy should still do the trick. Im shocked at how fast and dead the new bows are. They have definitely changed alot!
Muzzy ain't the Muzzy of the 80s and 90s either. For years it was ran by the Musacchia family but they got bought out by the Feradyne company back in 2012. Feradyne is the parent company to basically every cheap made, but higher priced piece of junk marketed to hunting. Rage, Nockturnal, Block targets, etc. The new Muzzys are junk compared to their 90s counterparts. Cheaper material, blades not as sharp, etc.
