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I'm beginning to think I have a coyote problem. I run trail cameras on 120 acres and I can confirm I have been getting pics of at least 3 different pairs, and it could be more. I enjoy what trapping I've done in the past but my experience has been limited to raccoons and dog proof foot traps.

Anyways, I saw this starter kit on FNTPost.com and I wondered what some of you more experienced trappers thought about this setup for a beginner: https://www.fntpost.com/Products/Trappi ... tarter+Kit

The kit will be around $180. I'm sure there are things in it that aren't necessary and I'm sure some of the items are low quality too...I sort of expect that with any kit/combo you buy. So, if someone wanted to send me a specific list of everything I actually need that would be fine too - ha. Really though, what do you think about this kit?

Thanks!
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The kit is ok but I'd stay away from those traps.. I use MB 650's and victor # 3 with 4 coils.. I think of my traps like I do my tools.. no Chinese stuff in my box.. a coyote will rip the jaws out of a cheap trap.. I use 3 swivels a shock absorber and a cross stake attachment so you can drive 2 18 rebar stakes in the ground to hold the coyote.. they will rip a single stake right out of the ground.. here's one of my traps..
 

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You can't go wrong with the mb traps .I run the mb 550 and a few bridger #2 . They all have 3 mb swivels and I use a super stake anchor.
 
So, maybe I go with the kit and buy some additional traps? I could probably sell the Dukes on CL or ebay. I hadn't heard much good about Dukes either.

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Another important fact is.. you will need to night latch your pan and set it for 3-4 pounds of pressure..
 
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BlountArrow":thkur7ts said:
So, maybe I go with the kit and buy some additional traps? I could probably sell the Dukes on CL or ebay. I hadn't heard much good about Dukes either.

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Skip the dukes kit and get the MB kit mentioned above. Those MB 550 are extremely nice, and they are way better/stronger than the Duke #2s in the first kit listed. Duke #2s would be a disappointment, especially for coyote. Also, the MB traps require almost no tinkering or modification. They are good to go out of the box.
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BlountArrow":3kk8cd4i said:
Thanks for sending that, TN Song Dog. That looks like the ticket!

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Welcome, and that is a screen shot from the lunk that Trapper suggested. I'd say don't worry about having more than those 6 traps at first. Focus on making good quality sets with those this season, and then decide if you want to get deeper into the game next season.



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I just now noticed there was a link at the bottom of Trapper's reply. Thanks, Trapper. I'll be purchasing today.

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TN Song Dog":2xks48n9 said:
BlountArrow":2xks48n9 said:
So, maybe I go with the kit and buy some additional traps? I could probably sell the Dukes on CL or ebay. I hadn't heard much good about Dukes either.

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Skip the dukes kit and get the MB kit mentioned above. Those MB 550 are extremely nice, and they are way better/stronger than the Duke #2s in the first kit listed. Duke #2s would be a disappointment, especially for coyote. Also, the MB traps require almost no tinkering or modification. They are good to go out of the box.
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X2, first dozen mb550s i boiled em in baking soda to remove factory grease & dipped em then went trapping worked grear for me. You wont be disappointed. Good luck, kill em all.
 
Trapper":2lni553t said:
I'm not a big fan of dukes for coyote's. Here is a better trap for the same amount of money .

http://www.minntrapprod.com/mobile/MB-P ... /550START/

So, update here: I received my traps, ran them through the dishwasher and they are hanging outside on a line to rust up, been out there about 5 days I guess. Anyone care to look at this kit and tell me what else you think I should purchase? Any additional lures, baits, trap bedding, trap covers, heck I don't know. What do some of you more experienced guys think are a must have? Right now, all I have is basically what you see in the kit that TN Song Dog shared a picture of, and the link that Trapper provided here. Really appreciate the help and advice.
 
Get a big bag of peat moss at the store.. use it to cover your traps.. wear gloves when making your set, change gloves when baiting and lureing..
 
First, I don't know if the traps you got are rubber jaw or not, looks like they're offset, but if they're offset regular jaw you may need to laminate them to make them TN legal as I believe you have to have a 1/4" thick jaw face now. If you're on private property you have to have written permission, and your traps have to be tagged with your name or TWRA #.

I love the super stakes, like the MB 550's. I prefer #3 or #4 DLS, Jakes, or MB650 for coyote / bobcat. I've had toe catches and a few pullouts on 2 coiled MB550's.

For bait and lure I'd get a small amount of Hiawatha Valley Predator Bait, a small jar of Fox Hollow GHII lure, and then a good coyote or red fox gland lure, plus some red fox urine. Coyote will go to fox gland or fox urine, but it's harder to get a fox to go to coyote smells. Bobcats will go to anything, as long as it's directly in their path of travel.

Practice cutting / digging a bed and staking a trap several times before you do it for real. Dig a hole slightly smaller than the trap, and dig it deeper than you need. You'll put the chain and stake under the trap so you need room. The coils can be floating off the bottom of your hole as long as the levers, cross frame, and jaws are solid. If you add shock springs to your chain setups they're handy for putting under the loose jaw to firm it up.

Use your hammer to pound down the edges where the levers, jaws, and cross frame will sit. With practice you can have a trap bedded solid in just a minute or two. Without practice it'll take you 20-30 minutes to get the wobble out and it's super frustrating. You can always make the hole bigger, but you can't make it smaller.

When the hole is right, pull the trap out, dust the hole with PRE-SIFTED peat moss, rebed the trap, and cover the levers with a sifting of peat moss, then fill inside the jaws and over the pan till they're full with peat.

Then use dirt (prefer pre-sifted dry dirt I bring with me or waxed dirt I bring) to put over the levers and around the jaws. Pack this in tight so it's solid. If a coyote steps around the trap or on the jaws it needs to feel solid and normal.

From here if it's a flat set in a pasture I use dried grass clippings to blend. If a cut bean field I gather bean chaff to blend. If a dry dirt pattern I use PRE-SIFTED dry dirt or preferably waxed dirt to blend. If it's a dirthole, I use PRE-SIFTED dry dirt or preferably waxed dirt to cover and blend the trap.

Use a guide stick or small rock at the loose jaw, then use a whisk broom from 2-4 feet outside the pattern to age the set. This is important if you want first night catches instead of 4th night catches.

I keep mentioning pre sifted peat and dirt because of speed and ease.

Tennessee during trapping season is either:
1. Sopping wet mud
2. Frozen
3. Both in the same day

Put in a set in dry dirt and it turns to mud when it rains. Dirt gets under your pan and it won't fire. Let wet dirt freeze overnight and the jaws will literally freeze to the ground, and it won't fire even with a perfect track on the pan. Peat and dry dirt or even better waxed dirt solves basically all these issues and it keeps you from trying to find dry dirt at a set to sift over your pattern for blending.

Cut a kneeling pad that's 2' x 2' or so from some cheap foam. Kneel on this and put the dirt from your hole on the pad and use it to haul the dirt away from the set (assuming you're bringing presifted peat, dry dirt, or waxed dirt and don't need it).

I keep my bait and lures in a metal ammo can. Lures are in a walmart plastic dry box inside the metal ammo can. This is the only system I've found to keep your vehicle from smelling like skunk essense based lures. Fox Hollow GHII is bad, but Violator #7 and Voo Doo are just violently skunky.

I use leather gloves for trap handling, digging, bedding, and blending. A pair of gauntlets stays inside the ammo can with bait and lure. All traps and tools are put away before the ammo can gets opened. You cannot have ANY cross contamination of smells that get on your traps or the dirt / peat the trap is in or they'll dig your trap.

Location - grown up ponds, fingers extending into fields, logging road intersections, farm roads, fence intersections, field edges, look for tracks and set on tracks. If we get snow drive around and look for tracks. Call in sick to work to go looking for tracks if it snows...it's that helpful.

Gang set- if a farm road intersection has coyote tracks it's a good spot. A spot good enough for one trap is good enough for two or three traps. Set on each side of the road and you'll cover different wind directions.

Yesterday morning I glassed a mega pack of at least 9 coyotes playing in a cut beanfield. Went back this morning with a spotter and watched 6 of the same group for an hour. When I set up on that group I'll probably have 10 sets in a relatively small area with a few more sets within 3-400 yards. Thats the power of gang setting...will a pair come by, or 6? How many traps do you have out? How many got plugged by a possum or skunk? Can't catch more than you have traps out.

Man, there's so much to learn...have fun, take notes on what works and doesn't.

One more bit of advice - If you're putting a set into ground that has been recently plowed or disked (think foodplot, ag field, etc) then use TWO super stakes driven at angles away from each other. In a soupy rain for 2 weeks the ground can get soft enough that even one finned super stake won't hold a coyote when he's got all night to circle, make a small volcano where the stake is, and then pull your stake, eventually leading you on a two mile predawn footrace tracking job in fresh snow across ridiculously thick cover, fences, steep river bluffs, and creeks . All hypothetical here, not like that really happened or anything. :bash:
 
Man, that all sounds like excellent info. I've been watching several YouTube videos and what not. I appreciate your comments on double staking and cross contamination particularly. I think my traps are legal as is, but I should double check I suppose. I'm going to look into joining some trapping groups to gain more knowledge as well. Thanks again!

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If you want to get a huge leap, the best $80 you can spend is buying Mark June's Coyote Trapping 1&2 videos. Another good video is Matt Jones Advanced Coyote and Cat trapping, and his Sets and Remakes.
 
Dirt hole set is easiest,use a bulb auger and battery drill.To make is better add a piece of firewood or a big rock.Anything cool and unusual they will check out and the dirthole will get them is you consider scent control number 2 and bedding number 1.
 
RockChucker30":of470d0b said:
First, I don't know if the traps you got are rubber jaw or not, looks like they're offset, but if they're offset regular jaw you may need to laminate them to make them TN legal as I believe you have to have a 1/4" thick jaw face now. If you're on private property you have to have written permission, and your traps have to be tagged with your name or TWRA #.

I love the super stakes, like the MB 550's. I prefer #3 or #4 DLS, Jakes, or MB650 for coyote / bobcat. I've had toe catches and a few pullouts on 2 coiled MB550's.

For bait and lure I'd get a small amount of Hiawatha Valley Predator Bait, a small jar of Fox Hollow GHII lure, and then a good coyote or red fox gland lure, plus some red fox urine. Coyote will go to fox gland or fox urine, but it's harder to get a fox to go to coyote smells. Bobcats will go to anything, as long as it's directly in their path of travel.

Practice cutting / digging a bed and staking a trap several times before you do it for real. Dig a hole slightly smaller than the trap, and dig it deeper than you need. You'll put the chain and stake under the trap so you need room. The coils can be floating off the bottom of your hole as long as the levers, cross frame, and jaws are solid. If you add shock springs to your chain setups they're handy for putting under the loose jaw to firm it up.

Use your hammer to pound down the edges where the levers, jaws, and cross frame will sit. With practice you can have a trap bedded solid in just a minute or two. Without practice it'll take you 20-30 minutes to get the wobble out and it's super frustrating. You can always make the hole bigger, but you can't make it smaller.

When the hole is right, pull the trap out, dust the hole with PRE-SIFTED peat moss, rebed the trap, and cover the levers with a sifting of peat moss, then fill inside the jaws and over the pan till they're full with peat.

Then use dirt (prefer pre-sifted dry dirt I bring with me or waxed dirt I bring) to put over the levers and around the jaws. Pack this in tight so it's solid. If a coyote steps around the trap or on the jaws it needs to feel solid and normal.

From here if it's a flat set in a pasture I use dried grass clippings to blend. If a cut bean field I gather bean chaff to blend. If a dry dirt pattern I use PRE-SIFTED dry dirt or preferably waxed dirt to blend. If it's a dirthole, I use PRE-SIFTED dry dirt or preferably waxed dirt to cover and blend the trap.

Use a guide stick or small rock at the loose jaw, then use a whisk broom from 2-4 feet outside the pattern to age the set. This is important if you want first night catches instead of 4th night catches.

I keep mentioning pre sifted peat and dirt because of speed and ease.

Tennessee during trapping season is either:
1. Sopping wet mud
2. Frozen
3. Both in the same day

Put in a set in dry dirt and it turns to mud when it rains. Dirt gets under your pan and it won't fire. Let wet dirt freeze overnight and the jaws will literally freeze to the ground, and it won't fire even with a perfect track on the pan. Peat and dry dirt or even better waxed dirt solves basically all these issues and it keeps you from trying to find dry dirt at a set to sift over your pattern for blending.

Cut a kneeling pad that's 2' x 2' or so from some cheap foam. Kneel on this and put the dirt from your hole on the pad and use it to haul the dirt away from the set (assuming you're bringing presifted peat, dry dirt, or waxed dirt and don't need it).

I keep my bait and lures in a metal ammo can. Lures are in a walmart plastic dry box inside the metal ammo can. This is the only system I've found to keep your vehicle from smelling like skunk essense based lures. Fox Hollow GHII is bad, but Violator #7 and Voo Doo are just violently skunky.

I use leather gloves for trap handling, digging, bedding, and blending. A pair of gauntlets stays inside the ammo can with bait and lure. All traps and tools are put away before the ammo can gets opened. You cannot have ANY cross contamination of smells that get on your traps or the dirt / peat the trap is in or they'll dig your trap.

Location - grown up ponds, fingers extending into fields, logging road intersections, farm roads, fence intersections, field edges, look for tracks and set on tracks. If we get snow drive around and look for tracks. Call in sick to work to go looking for tracks if it snows...it's that helpful.

Gang set- if a farm road intersection has coyote tracks it's a good spot. A spot good enough for one trap is good enough for two or three traps. Set on each side of the road and you'll cover different wind directions.

Yesterday morning I glassed a mega pack of at least 9 coyotes playing in a cut beanfield. Went back this morning with a spotter and watched 6 of the same group for an hour. When I set up on that group I'll probably have 10 sets in a relatively small area with a few more sets within 3-400 yards. Thats the power of gang setting...will a pair come by, or 6? How many traps do you have out? How many got plugged by a possum or skunk? Can't catch more than you have traps out.

Man, there's so much to learn...have fun, take notes on what works and doesn't.

One more bit of advice - If you're putting a set into ground that has been recently plowed or disked (think foodplot, ag field, etc) then use TWO super stakes driven at angles away from each other. In a soupy rain for 2 weeks the ground can get soft enough that even one finned super stake won't hold a coyote when he's got all night to circle, make a small volcano where the stake is, and then pull your stake, eventually leading you on a two mile predawn footrace tracking job in fresh snow across ridiculously thick cover, fences, steep river bluffs, and creeks . All hypothetical here, not like that really happened or anything. :bash:
Well said.
 
buckaroo":1ns08ld9 said:
Great info!! I'm a newbee and have been chaining mine to trees, is that ok?? Don't trust stakes

Cabling or chaining off to a tree is fine, it just limits your set locations. I would not trust double loop chain, I'd want at least a #2 or #3 machine chain for coyote, or 1/8" aircraft cable.

For stakes I think two crossed 18" rebar stakes is a safe minimum, or disposables, super stakes, etc.
 
On your disposable stakes, wolf fangs, super stakes, etc don't forget to set it before you bed the trap. Give the chain a steady tug till it stops & you have it set. Good luck.
 
buckaroo":2d5rau16 said:
Great info!! I'm a newbee and have been chaining mine to trees, is that ok?? Don't trust stakes

I would never want a coyote set that close to a tree. Also, catch a coon it might climb the tree.
 
TN Song Dog":2e0mgypq said:
BlountArrow":2e0mgypq said:
So, maybe I go with the kit and buy some additional traps? I could probably sell the Dukes on CL or ebay. I hadn't heard much good about Dukes either.

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Skip the dukes kit and get the MB kit mentioned above. Those MB 550 are extremely nice, and they are way better/stronger than the Duke #2s in the first kit listed. Duke #2s would be a disappointment, especially for coyote. Also, the MB traps require almost no tinkering or modification. They are good to go out of the box.
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This is a nice looking kit. Do they have rubber jaws? Im new to trapping... Any harm to a domesticated animal if caught?

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AllOutdoors":3ku5d53k said:
TN Song Dog":3ku5d53k said:
BlountArrow":3ku5d53k said:
So, maybe I go with the kit and buy some additional traps? I could probably sell the Dukes on CL or ebay. I hadn't heard much good about Dukes either.

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Skip the dukes kit and get the MB kit mentioned above. Those MB 550 are extremely nice, and they are way better/stronger than the Duke #2s in the first kit listed. Duke #2s would be a disappointment, especially for coyote. Also, the MB traps require almost no tinkering or modification. They are good to go out of the box.
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This is a nice looking kit. Do they have rubber jaws? Im new to trapping... Any harm to a domesticated animal if caught?

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No, they are offset. But, I've read a lot of opinions on the rubber jaws that actually say an animal does more damage to themselves in rubber jaws. I'm no expert but I would think this is because the rubber jaws give the animal some "hope" in escaping so they continue to fight it when escape is just not likely.

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I think the rubber does not grip as well as steel and can cause more rubbing. I don't use rubber so I don't know from personal experience. I use cast or laminated and have never had a problem with damage to yotes.

Also, domestics don't fight the trap, so damage is rarely and issue on a non target. I would be concerned with what a large trap might do to a small animal if the pan tension were set to low. I set pan tension at 1.5 #'s for #2 size traps and down, and at 4# 3's and up.
 
Question?
So, are some of you saying that the anchor system that came with the traps is not sufficient by itself? Are you saying I need to "add onto it" somehow? Thanks.
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That looks like a super stake and they are definitely sufficient to hold a coyote as long as they are put in the ground properly.
 
Thanks, pass-thru. I was hoping to hear from you. I've looked forward to seeing your trapping posts and pics in years past.

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