Vehicles we should be allowed to buy. (not EVs)

[swampbadger]

I didn't want to hijack the EV truck thread. I don't want an EV. I want better options to better vehicles that should be allowed to be imported here. There are tons of options in other countries that our EPA and government restrict us from getting access to.

EPA claims that these vehicles aren't fuel efficient. They are way more fuel efficient than comparable vehicles sold by our local manufacturers. Could it be if imports were affordable and available they would severely impact the american made companies? I say great! The competition would increase the performance and longevity nationwide. We might actually get back into high quality 4 wheel drive trucks that last if this was possible.

I'm not into EVs and if I really wanted a dream car here's a handful I'd love to have access to.
Feel free to add any trucks or comments or opinions!!!

check out this brazilian beauty! burns diesel at a comparable rate as a tacomas burn gas. also has capability to have level 3 ballistic armor…

 

[swampbadger]

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2024-mitsubishi-triton-price-and-specs

here's a mitsubishi diesel making 30 mpg

 

[swampbadger]

gotta mention the toyota hilux we can't own these cause gubment says no.

https://www.ultimatespecs.com/car-specs/Toyota/127994/Toyota-Hilux-2021-Double-Cab-24-D-4D-4WD.html

 

[Antler Daddy]

My 2010 Mercedes GL350 gets 24 on highway. My 2008 Mazda CX9 barely gets 17 on highway....it is terrible and basically a Ford.

 

[swampbadger]

The unimog would be atop my list. it's a camper, it's a beast, it has countless implements and is used as a farm tractor overseas. The possibilities are endless with these.

https://www.mercedes-benz-trucks.com/en_GB/models/unimog-off-road.html

 

[swampbadger]

My 2010 Mercedes GL350 gets 24 on highway. My Mazda CX9 barely gets 17 on highway....it is terrible and basically a Ford.

My point exactly, why are we stuck with poor performance and poor choices when if we look outside of our box there are so much bigger and better things going on with vehicles!

 

[lafn96]

My 2020 Tacoma (manual trans 4x4) doesn't get anywhere near 30 mpg; more like 18-19 with 33's on it. Stock it would get 20-21 if I babied it.

 

[swampbadger]

My 2020 Tacoma (manual trans 4x4) doesn't get anywhere near 30 mpg; more like 18-19 with 33's on it. Stock it would get 20-21 if I babied it.

I know, man my 2004 sequoia gets 13 mpg, it's pitiful.

when you look at stats on the diesel hilux, you say wow! You've gotta admit the EPAs claims of saving us from fuel consumption are a crock of lies.

Are we purposely being steered towards accepting EVs?

 

[TNGunsmoke]

If those vehicles had the emissions control stuff on them that is required in the US, they would not be any more fuel efficient than ours currently are.

 

[MoonBuzzard]

Our gvt doesn't want better for us. 1 look at overseas vehicles will tell you that

 

[TnKen]

Like this.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

Hilux- the choice of jihadis everywhere because they just keep going and going.

 

[lol]

My 2010 Mercedes GL350 gets 24 on highway. My 2008 Mazda CX9 barely gets 17 on highway....it is terrible and basically a Ford.

Those MB engines are awesome.

 

[Savage]

Hilux- the choice of jihadis everywhere because they just keep going and going.

I always thought we could end terrorism is we could find the body shot that kept mounting the machine guns on the back of the little Toyota pickups…


I would be in line for a Hilux before I would a high end side by side…

 

[Omega]

Put this one through some stuff, I wish we would have brought it back.

 

[4Low]

Suzuki Jimny

 

[swampbadger]

Suzuki Jimny

I looked it up, It looks awesome. I know those suzuki samaris were incredible off road

 

[Laserman1]

Landrover stopped the Defender 90 here in 1996 because our government wanted air bags and Landrover said " we will just stop selling them to you instead of changing them ". They have that poor excuse for a defender here now.

 

[swampbadger]

We puff our chests out as Americans because we have overall, on most terms, the best nation to live in. It truly is a blessing to be here, I'm not saying it isn't.

However our choices of dependable vehicles have left us. We had vehicles in the 1990s- mid 2000s that were really good and are still on the road today. As technologies have advanced the quality and durability of vehicles we have available here in the US have diminished greatly over the last 10-20 years.

The technology is there to build long lasting fuel efficient vehicles. It's being withheld by policies that work against us.

We are blatantly being steered towards buying EVs that 46 percent of current owners have remorse for buying.

 

[axeforce6]

The Land Cruiser 70 would be great to have.

 

[DaveTN]

I don't know why you can't get the foreign vehicles you want. But I'm sure the reason is NOT because they aren't made by an American country. If we all flip our garage doors open right now more than half of them have ricers.

 

[swampbadger]

I don't know why you can't get the foreign vehicles you want. But I'm sure the reason is NOT because they aren't made by an American country. If we all flip our garage doors open right now more than half of them have ricers.

Maybe you are missing the point. What I'd like to see is a better pool of quality vehicles we as american consumers have a choice of driving.

Our selections of vehicles should be much broader. American car manufacturers have many if not more issues than your "ricers." They are no longer built with good materials by hard working americans. Things have changed for the worse across the board.

The Government and customs have laws and restrictions on many imports that are more fuel efficient and better built than what we have available at dealerships. If they were allowed here, It would force our american dealerships to produce higher quality vehicles.

The majority of imports that you can get are only feasible by the super rich as novelties, not intended as daily drivers.

 

[DaveTN]

Maybe you are missing the point. What I'd like to see is a better pool of quality vehicles we as american consumers have a choice of driving.

Our selections of vehicles should be much broader. American car manufacturers have many if not more issues than your "ricers." They are no longer built with good materials by hard working americans. Things have changed for the worse across the board.

The Government and customs have laws and restrictions on many imports that are more fuel efficient and better built than what we have available at dealerships. If they were allowed here, It would force our american dealerships to produce higher quality vehicles.

The majority of imports that you can get are only feasible by the super rich as novelties, not intended as daily drivers.

What's available should be driven by technology and customer demand. I would bet that most car buyers really don't care if their car is gas or electric. They care what it costs, what the fuel costs are, what the maintenance costs are, and if it can go as far as they need it to go without refueling.

Neither federal nor state government should have a say in what fuel the vehicle will use.

Other than a ricer when I was an E-4 in the military, and couldn't afford an American made car, all my cars have been from Americans companies. However, the "American Made" part is pretty watered down anymore.

What cars would you like to see sold here? Buick Envision, Lincoln Nautilus, Volvo S90, Cadillac CT6 Plug-in Hybrid are made in China. Kia, Hyundai, are made in South Korea, Chevrolet Trax and Chevrolet Trailblazer are rebadged Daewoo's made in South Korea.

I wish I could buy an American made car, but I can't anymore. I come from manufacturing, so I understand that where a car is made and where it is assembled are not the same things.

All cars are the highest quality and the safest they have ever been. To say American cars are of lesser quality, from previous years, or less quality than foreign cars is ridiculous. From 1980 to 2022 the U.S had a 49% increase in population and a 17% decrease in fatal traffic accidents. That's from quality and safety products on vehicles.

 

[MoonBuzzard]

As long as theres money to be made by keeping us in the dark things will continue to progress as they have for years. This includes restricting what vehicles are available to us.

 

[MickThompson]

Is Ford/Chebby versus "ricer" even a valid argument considering how many Japanese companies build stateside?

 

[TNGunsmoke]

Is Ford/Chebby versus "ricer" even a valid argument considering how many Japanese companies build stateside?

Yep. The Nissan Frontier is assembled in Mississippi, with an engine that is built in TN. Toyota's are assembled in Springhill, TN. Saves both a ton of money on import tarrifs to assemble the finished product here, regardless of where they source the individual parts. And thanks to NAFTA, the Fords and Chevys are assembled in Mexico and Canada, and don't have a lot of American labor involved in them any more.

 

[DaveTN]

And thanks to NAFTA, the Fords and Chevys are assembled in Mexico and Canada, and don't have a lot of American labor involved in them any more.

Many Chevrolet vehicles are assembled in the United States, including:
Arlington, TX: Suburban, Tahoe
Roanoke, IN: Silverado 1500
Wentzville, MO: Colorado, Express
Bowling Green, KY: Corvette Stingray, Z06, Grand Sport, ZR1
Lansing, MI: Traverse, Camaro
Detroit, MI: Chevrolet
Kansas City, KS: Malibu
Lake Orion, MI: Sonic, Bolt EV, Cruise AV test vehicles
Flint, MI: Heavy-Duty
Spring Hill, TN: Engines for Tahoe, Silverado, Suburban, and Blazer


DEARBORN, Mich., May 22, 2024 – Ford Motor Company again solidified its position as the No. 1 American automaker in terms of vehicles assembled, vehicles exported from America to other countries and hourly workers employed.

Ford earned the top spot for the sixth consecutive year, the latest data from S&P Global Mobility shows.

"Ford is a uniquely American company," said Andrew Frick, Ford Blue president. "We are proud to serve our customers with vehicles that embody the best of American innovation and ingenuity."

Ford employs about 57,000 hourly manufacturing workers in the U.S., more than any other automaker, and training is underway for the new third crew that will assemble Bronco and Ranger vehicles at Ford's Michigan Assembly Plant, including nearly 900 new hires.

Also, Ford and Lincoln combined have more than 2,800 dealerships in the U.S., which create additional jobs in the communities they serve.

In 2023, Ford assembled more than 1.8 million vehicles in the U.S. – 130,000 more than any other auto manufacturer.1 This includes the best-selling F-Series truck franchise of gas-powered, hybrid and electric pickup trucks, each assembled in America at plants in Michigan, Missouri, Kentucky and Ohio.

Overall, more than 79% of what Ford sells in the U.S. are assembled in the U.S., more than any other automaker.

In 2023, Ford exported 260,000 American-assembled vehicles – including F-150, Bronco and Mustang – to other countries, more than any other auto manufacturer. Approximately one in every seven vehicles Ford assembles in the U.S. is exported to international markets including Canada, Mexico, China, Puerto Rico and South Korea.

 

[Gravey]

Yep. The Nissan Frontier is assembled in Mississippi, with an engine that is built in TN. Toyota's are assembled in Springhill, TN. Saves both a ton of money on import tarrifs to assemble the finished product here, regardless of where they source the individual parts. And thanks to NAFTA, the Fords and Chevys are assembled in Mexico and Canada, and don't have a lot of American labor involved in them any more.

Toyota doesn't have a plant in Spring Hill that I'm aware of so I googled it and didn't find one. GM does
https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=toyota plants in usa&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5
Ford has a truck plant on the east side of Louisville. When I'm there for work I stay less than a mile away from it. Not saying they don't have any outside of the US but definitely still have some here. Would have to double check but pretty sure my truck came from there.

 

[Creek bottoms]

I'd like to see more diesels here in the U.S.

 

[4Low]

Yep. The Nissan Frontier is assembled in Mississippi, with an engine that is built in TN. Toyota's are assembled in Springhill, TN. Saves both a ton of money on import tarrifs to assemble the finished product here, regardless of where they source the individual parts. And thanks to NAFTA, the Fords and Chevys are assembled in Mexico and Canada, and don't have a lot of American labor involved in them any more.

Tundra's are made in TX, camry in Kentucky.
Ford makes all the super duties in KY and rangers and broncos in Michigan.
F150's are made in KC Kansas or Dearborn