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jmb4wd

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Well, let me start off by saying that Im kind of at a loss on what to do here guys.

This was my first experience plotting these Eagle beans, and maybe I didnt heed the advice of others, when they said the deer will destroy these things in a high density area. I witnessed it first hand today when I went to spray them.

Let me preface this experience with some facts about the property and when they were planted.

Did a soil test and sprayed on April 7. Turned off wet, really wet, and planted on May 20. Figures up to 3.97 acres on Google Earth. Ph was a little low at 6.2, but planned on liming fall, or next spring. Fertilized with 1200lb mixture of DAP and K. according to soil test.

Went today, and yes we have a lot of weeds, we have a pretty good stand of beans. Row spacing was 28 inch, and seed spacing was a little greater than 1 inch. I used (4) 50lb bags of Big Fellows and had about 10lbs left over.

Up on close inspection, the best I can tell, is that the deer have hammered these things to death. The tallest plant I saw was about 10 to 12 inches tall, and most ranged from 3 to 5 inches tall. They showed signs of browse and in spots even, one inch tall dead stems. These beans have recieved plenty of rain, as my source from Mid south Coop about a mile south showed over 6 inches of rain since planting.

Now my question. Where do we go from this point. I applyed gly at 1.5 quart per acre, and plan to make one more application in a month. Do you think additional fertilizer will promote more growth in the beans that have survived, or should we see how they progress and plan better/more acreage for next year. Or try to add more summer annuals such as powerplant, or something similar to relieve the beans a little. Im all ears on some ideas!!
 
I have a question for everyone as well - would it be a waste of time/money to pick up a plotsaver ribbon this late in the game in order to rope off an area that hasnt been hit as hard yet? Or since they already have a taste for the beans and know they are there will the plotsaver even stop them?
 
jmb4wd,

First, assessing browse pressure versus actual plant growth can be very difficult without having exclusion cages to compare against. Exclusion cages are ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for this process. They allow you to see how much the plants have grown (inside the cage) versus how much plant material deer have eaten (size of plants outside the cage).

Second, I seriously doubt any more fertilizer will help with additional plant growth, as long as fertilization was done to recommendations. Althoughkilling the weeds will help. Those weeds are utilizing the fertilizer as well, "stealing" it from the soybeans.

Lastly, there is only three ways to deal with excessive browse pressure of food plots: 1) increase the acreage planted; 2) decrease the deer density through increased antlerless harvests; and 3) create more natural food sources. Even when deer have access to unlimited quantities of highly-preferred agricultural food sources, more than half of a deer's diet will still be made up of natural food sources (in summer, primarily broadleaf weeds). By creating more of these natural food sources on a property, those natural food sources can take browse pressure off of the agricultural plantings.
 
BSK said:
jmb4wd,

First, assessing browse pressure versus actual plant growth can be very difficult without having exclusion cages to compare against. Exclusion cages are ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for this process. They allow you to see how much the plants have grown (inside the cage) versus how much plant material deer have eaten (size of plants outside the cage).

I meant to make a couple of cages and bring them, but I agree we should have done this to start with. But it is very obvious that the plants are heavily browsed. Second, I seriously doubt any more fertilizer will help with additional plant growth, as long as fertilization was done to recommendations. Althoughkilling the weeds will help. Those weeds are utilizing the fertilizer as well, "stealing" it from the soybeans.

Lastly, there is only three ways to deal with excessive browse pressure of food plots: 1) increase the acreage planted; 2) decrease the deer density through increased antlerless harvests; and 3) create more natural food sources. Even when deer have access to unlimited quantities of highly-preferred agricultural food sources, more than half of a deer's diet will still be made up of natural food sources (in summer, primarily broadleaf weeds). By creating more of these natural food sources on a property, those natural food sources can take browse pressure off of the agricultural plantings.

I cut the grass around his Trophy Rock and and there was several "stalks" of poke salad and they hardley had any leafs on them, and I noticed lots of other plant (none I can identify) that showed visual signs of browse.

I guess the good thing is that we have another large field to work with, so maybe next year we will have to load it up with food, or Mark you better kill a bunch of deer this fall when you are here!!!!! lol
 
Cages, cages and more cages.

Yes I would get a plot saver. That will help as long as you keep up with spraying. I am on a ridge top plot that I just put one on. I will post pics when I get home with more suggestions.
 
richmanbarbeque said:
Cages, cages and more cages.

Yes I would get a plot saver. That will help as long as you keep up with spraying. I am on a ridge top plot that I just put one on. I will post pics when I get home with more suggestions.

I wish I had put up some when we planted but just didnt have time that day.

The plotsaver is a good idea, I just dont know if Mark has someone there to keep it sprayed with that stink juice!! I dont think his fiance signed up for that, lol
 
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Here a couple of pics, I finally figured out how to get them to photobucket off my new phone!

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richmanbarbeque said:
It looks like the rows are way to far apart. How far apart are they?

These pics are of an end row but the rest are in 28 inch row which is a standard farming practice. I had hoped that these would fill out and not get really tall.

The reason I used the wider row width as it worked best with the seed spacing and the seed population we were looking for per acre.

I think in hind sight I would drill them in at about 70 to 80 pounds per acre.
 
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Here is something that I have done as a test. After putting the plotsaver up I also ran flagging tape around the whole plot. I bought 1/2 dozen roles for 10 bucks. Justin, Did you use Large lad or big fellow?
 
I would not do anything this year but spray with round up. Next year I would double plant (split the rows)and make the rows 14". I would also try to plant more acreage next year, if I couldn't plant more acreage next year I would put a fence around what I had.
 
richmanbarbeque said:
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Here is something that I have done as a test. After putting the plotsaver up I also ran flagging tape around the whole plot. I bought 1/2 dozen roles for 10 bucks. Justin, Did you use Large lad or big fellow?

Rich, I planted Big Fellows at Mark's place.

It looks like you got a pretty good stand coming up. That puddled up water is a welcome sight, isnt it!!
 
8 POINTS OR BETTER said:
I would not do anything this year but spray with round up. Next year I would double plant (split the rows)and make the rows 14". I would also try to plant more acreage next year, if I couldn't plant more acreage next year I would put a fence around what I had.


8 point, I think you are right. I sprayed Saturday at 1.5 quarts per acre, and Im going to hit it again in about a month. I hope that will decrease the competition and let them come on a little better.

As far as the row spacing goes, it was something that I struggled with way before I ever planted them. I have more planter units I can add to my planter, but after talking to Brad at Eagle Seed and and quizing other guys on QDMA site, and discussing the matter with Drop Tine, (land owner), we decided that we would go with the 28 and try it.
 
I can tell you no farmer is planting beans at 28" thats a large producer, mostly anywere from 7"-16", I plant at 7" with my no-till drill, it full now waiting for so dry ground to plant more
 
landman said:
I can tell you no farmer is planting beans at 28" thats a large producer, mostly anywere from 7"-16", I plant at 7" with my no-till drill, it full now waiting for so dry ground to plant more

I agree, but they are not planting forage type beans either.
 
jmb4wd said:
landman said:
I can tell you no farmer is planting beans at 28" thats a large producer, mostly anywere from 7"-16", I plant at 7" with my no-till drill, it full now waiting for so dry ground to plant more

I agree, but they are not planting forage type beans either.

No their not, but most people who are planting forage beans are usually drilling them or broadcasting them, I would just split your rows or put the other units on
 

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