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I started hunting 2 years ago. I have been hunting four times, my whole life and I am getting concerned my technique is wrong. I have yet to harvest a deer, heck, I haven't even seen anything. I have done spot and stalk but I only stay in one area 45 minutes or so. I find a spot where I have a large shooting lanes, and good cover over an area where the deer would be. Although, I have to guess where they would be. Then I move when I feel I have been unsuccessful in an area.

I have a climbing treestand that I have never used. It seems that this would really increase my odds for harvest but I am not sure. I am impatient and think I would enjoy a spot and stalk more but the treestand seems to increase the odds of bagging a deer.

I would like input on the way you guys hunt, I prefer lengthy details, spot and stalk vs stand hunting.

Do you think spot and stalk yields more deer than stand hunting?

DO you recommend any type of books or guides to help understand deer movement or hunting.

I only have 10 days or so to spend in the woods each year so I thought I could glean a little knowledge to make up for lack of time.
 
I don't like the sound of large shooting lanes. Sure deer come into the open many times and places, but if you're not seeing them in the open, you need to hunt thicker woods where you can't see as far.

Also, you've only been 4 times. That's not much, so keep at it every chance you get.

A climber is great to have in a lot of places. I would never stick to just one method of hunting - I hunt lockons, my climber, from the ground, or stillhunting. If you are stillhunting, you need to stand still and scan the woods with your eyes very carefully for a minute or two, then take two or three very slow steps, making sure not to break any twigs. Then stop and watch the woods, and repeat...this is a very slow process and requires patience, but if you go too fast, the deer will hear or see you long before you see them.

I would suggest not stillhunting to start - just scout quietly, and when you find the best deer sign - trails full of fresh tracks, multiple piles of droppings, acorns and cracked acorn caps, etc...then you have to figure if there's a good tree for your climber, or if you're better off hunkered down at the base of a tree.

As you probably know, morning and evening are best times for deer movement, but they do move other times too. If you hunt morning, try to get there before the sky gets light. Good luck


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One other thing, sitting for 45 minutes isn't something I do unless I'm scouting, or I shoot a deer less than 45 minutes after sitting down. If you're really trying to catch the deer moving through, go in 3 hours before dark and sit until dark. Or go in while it's still dark in the morning and sit for at least 3 hours. 3 hours is not a magic number, it's just a good starting point to make yourself sit long enough.


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Poser":2xolle3m said:
Sitting still, whether on the ground or elevated, has been proven to be the most effective way to hunt in the Eastern US. Spot and stalk works best in open country. There are exceptions, but very few people have consistent success with spot and stalk deer hunting in the Eastern hardwoods. It is a good skill to have for when the situation calls for it.


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it's interesting because spot and stalk here works great for fall turkey hunting. You'd think the critter with better eyes would be tougher to do that with, but deer are a lot more keen on their surroundings I guess. A flock of birds feels safe in numbers and are less sensitive to sounds in the leaves because they make so much noise on their own.

Sorry not trying to hijack. Back on topic, I'd say stillhunting could be at least as effective as sitting still, if done right. I'm not very good at it, but have been able to sneak on deer doing it before. It's essentially the same as sitting still, except you are standing up and make a slight move every so often.


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Everyone on this message board was a beginner at some point so we understand what its like.. I would first recommend that you find a way to be more patient. If you are impossibly impatient, then maybe deer hunting isn't the type of hunting for you. Maybe bird hunting or small game would be more fitting. The most successful deer hunters I have ever known are extremely disciplined and patient. In fact, when I am sitting in my tree I don't even consider myself being 'patient'. I just enjoy the outdoors and enjoy the hunt in general. Anyway, it might be something to think about before you start delving into techniques, etc..
 
Definitely Treestand over stalking any day. I have killed very few deer stalking in my life.
I've got to where I don't even like to get out of my stand because I know once I get down my chances are same as over!
 
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If you're that limited in time in the woods you need to find a good spot where the wind is right and simply stay put, hunting with your eyes, not your feet. Patience and alertness are key for stand hunting. Regarding spot and stalk, I'll reiterate what Poser said. Spot and stalk is for mule deer and elk out west. However, I love to still hunt, and Catman described it well. But it's usually only more effective under the right conditions, and by someone very knowledgeable of the woods and the deer. Scout, and learn the woods in the offseason when you can, especially winter and early spring. Good luck and hunt hard...when you can.


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Research how to use tree stands safely, then practice climbing with it. Use your fall harness at all times, ascending and descending. Being up in the air has distinct advantages over ground hunting, one of which is body movement. Deer are less apt to see your subtle movements unless they are looking up. If you ground hunt, you absolutely have to stay still all the time. Move your eyes from side to side before you move your head. And when you move your head, do it slowly. If you hear something approaching from behind, let it come to in front of you if possible; I have been busted by deer multiple times by turning to look to see what I hear behind me. Pay attention to wind direction, it is vitally important for them not to smell you. Good luck and patience is the key. I have gone multiple years in a row not harvesting deer. Enjoy everything going on around you in the woods, Gods creations are truly amazing. I was fascinated recently by fellow hunting species around me. I was in a tree stand hunting deer, had mosquitoes hunting me, and dragon flies hunting the mosquitoes. Had the you know what scared out of me when a huge owl flew into the tree I was hunting from; he landed on a limb right next to me. They are HUGE birds and their tufted wings enable them to fly almost silently; I didn't hear him coming until he was literally right on top of me.
 
You will be much more successful stand hunting, especially if your a new hunter and not versed in areas and conditions conducive to stalking. I would highly recommend learning to read sign and spend as much time as possible sitting high above said sign. Whitetail deer are very hard to walk up on even for the most skilled woodsman!
 
Poser":2cygn8ug said:
Sitting still, whether on the ground or elevated, has been proven to be the most effective way to hunt in the Eastern US. Spot and stalk works best in open country. There are exceptions, but very few people have consistent success with spot and stalk deer hunting in the Eastern hardwoods. It is a good skill to have for when the situation calls for it.


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Poser is right about spot and stalk, but what most don't realize unless you've hunted out west, you may sit 1 to 3 hours glassing before stalking, or only 1/2 an hour. If your rifle hunting having good open shooting lanes
helps and if you in a good area sit 2-3 hours early and late

Good Luck
 
I've been deer hunting for 20 years and have "spot and stalked" one buck. He had a doe in a field he was pestering and I was able to get about to get to about 145 yards and shoot him with a rifle.

You'll be much more successful finding somewhere and being still for several hours.
 
When I hear you say "spot and stalk", I take that to mean you "walk slowly through the woods/fields, being watchful and listening, hoping to see a deer" - is that a correct interpretation? Some folks call that still hunting, which can be confusing given that the name implies no movement.

I've killed quite a few deer while taking slow, deliberate walks around. Most of the time lately when still hunting/stalking, I use a shooting stick that allows me to have a gun rest for a steady shot, even while standing away from a tree. I will say that easily 50% of the deer I've killed while walking around were sheer luck - I just happened across a deer that was moving and didn't see/hear me, or it was far enough away in a field that I got in a position for a shot without being seen. I typically use this method when either a) I've gotten too cold and can't be still anymore, or b) I'm new to a property and have no idea of a spot to go, so I am actively scouting as I walk around.

I have probably jumped up and scared off 90% of the deer that I see while still hunting with no chance at getting a shot. Of the remaining 10%, I probably let over half of those walk because they weren't the deer I was looking for. This points back to what Poser said - it really isn't that great of a method for MOST of the terrain that we see in Tennessee. Humans have much better distance vision than whitetails, but that doesn't come into play when hunting in tight areas (less than 150-200 yards visibility) with noisy walking surfaces.

There is another reason why it's generally not the best method - by spending a lot of time moving around, you are broadcasting to the deer in the area that you are there. You are either actively scaring them off, or indirectly scaring them by way of leaving scent around an area. They will encounter that later, and then decide to steer clear (at least during daytime). In doing so, you can take a relatively large area and make it much less productive in daytime hours.

This creates a conundrum, because many folks (like myself) get wander lust and want to see what's over the next hill, especially if they have been sitting still for 3-4 hours. My dad hunts this way often, and I picked up the sometimes-bad habit from him. If you have a large area to hunt and aren't too concerned with the pressure on a certain area - then go for it. Just realize that sometimes the more fun/interesting option isn't always the best one if your goal is to be in range of a deer that isn't running for the next county.

Your best bet for seeing/killing deer is to do scouting with satellite imagery and topography maps. IDEALLY, this is done well ahead of the season, so that you aren't running everything out of the area during the active season. I like to scout for deer while squirrel hunting in October, for example.

If you want to strike a balance, try this...find an area that looks promising based off of internet scouting, and perhaps a secondary area that's reasonably close nearby. Go in and hunt the first one by sitting still in one spot with good visibility. If you must take a walk around, wait until after 9-10 AM (outside of the rut, deer movement is generally lower after then) and hunt slowly towards the second spot you identified. Especially if you are in the late season and it's cold outside, deer are more likely to be on their feet and visible...so always be ready! I have missed opportunities on many deer because I've had my rifle slung across your back. If your arms get tired of carrying your weapon "at the ready", then stop moving and rest a bit.

Spend as much time still as you are moving. Deer are very patient and known to sit still for many minutes without moving.
 

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