Traditional scrape usage?

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I posted this in the Trail Camera Forum, but wanted to make sure anyone using the QDM Forum also saw the thread. I'm wondering if anyone else has observed anything similar:


During what is the rut month in my area (November), I shift more than half of my cameras to monitoring scrapes. This has proven invaluable in invenorying buck populations, especially when you have a lot of "rut-shifting" bucks (bucks that shift their range just for the rut).

Using this technique, I have experienced excellent buck photo results using all types of scrapes--traditional, field-edge, scrapes along old logging trails, etc. However, this year, I noticed something interesting because I left my cameras running much longer than normal (I usually remove my cameras from the field at the end of January, but this year I left them running until this last weekend). Several of the cameras were left running over different scrapes until this first weekend of April.

I found that most "temporary" scrapes--scrapes that only appear during the peak of the rut--are abandoned once the rut is over. However, known traditional scrapes--scrapes that appear in the same spot year after year and are usually the first scrapes to be seriously worked in fall--continued to see doe and buck visits long after the rut was over. In fact, at two of my most traditional scrapes, I was continuing to get doe and buck visits right up to the time the cameras were removed. Even bucks that had lost their antlers continued to work these scrapes fairly regularly and intensely.

Has anyone else noticed traditional scrapes still being worked in February and March? And from the picture sequences, it appears bucks are still conducting the full scrape sequence at these traditional scrapes even into late winter--working the overhead limb, pawing out the scrape, and urinating in it.

It has long been known that traditional scrapes see deer visits year round, but usually this is just to check/work the over-hanging limb as these are used as licking branches outside of the rut. But I was very much surprised by the "full sequence" scrape-working behavior observed throughout the winter into early spring.
 
There is one on my place that always seems to be open,had pics on it all year long,more or less.Where are yours?My scrape that stays open is on an oak flat,on a conversion of 2 trails leading into a food plot.End of a ridge basically.
 
Football Hunter said:
I guess what Im asking,does there seem to be a rhyme or reason to an all season scrape,as far as where it is?

Not that I can find. Some of the most long-lived traditional scrapes on my place are on ridges while others are in valleys. Although if there is one characteristic that all seem to have, they are located at the convergence point of several travel routes.
 
BSK said:
Football Hunter said:
I guess what Im asking,does there seem to be a rhyme or reason to an all season scrape,as far as where it is?

Not that I can find. Some of the most long-lived traditional scrapes on my place are on ridges while others are in valleys. Although if there is one characteristic that all seem to have, they are located at the convergence point of several travel routes.


I have noticed the same thing...2 scrapes at my farm are consistantly worked and the are both at the very end of food plots where many trails funnel too.
 
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Right now, scrapes are commonly reworked due to the surge of testonsterone bucks' bodies are producing as part of the antlergenesis process (growth of next year's antlers). This can produce many open scrapes the last week of March and first weeks of April.

But what I'm looking at is trail-camera pictures showing continuous scrape usage (full sequence of actions at the scrape including urinating in it) from October until now. The two traditional scrapes I had cameras monitoring displayed bucks working the scrapes every few days throughout the winter months.
 
Just yesterday I observed a scrape that I made a few years ago that has been freshened recently, don't know when but it had no leaves in it. This is a classic area for it but didn't have one prior to me making one. Now it has become a very active scrape. I will watch it closer to see if it is being used year around. This weekend I will put a camera on it.
 
richmanbarbeque said:
This is a classic area for it but didn't have one prior to me making one.

Most of my best traditional scrapes started out as a human urine mock scrapes I made.
 
BSK, I pullled my last cam about 3 weeks ago, mid March, and I too had a Traditional scrape being worked regularly by bucks, right up until the cam was removed. I will say however that 80% or more of the activity had went to night use only.
 
BSK said:
richmanbarbeque said:
This is a classic area for it but didn't have one prior to me making one.

Most of my best traditional scrapes started out as a human urine mock scrapes I made.

I agree, as a joke out at cathole ( I thought they were onto me when they described it but was amazed when they told me how big it was) I started a scrape in a spot I thought was perfect. The following weekend it was the size of a truck hood and had rubs on adjoining trees. Since then I have seen a scrape every year.
 
I have always heard and read, that as long as a buck has "hard" antler, they can breed...and want to breed, whether a doe wants to or not. The scraping, in my uneducated opinion, could be a marking type activity, similar to a dog peeing on an upright object.

Even in the wild kingdom of animals....I guess one would have to think ahead and make his presence known. Even during the summer, buck social groups seem to be buddy buddy, but don't be fooled....they are going to be ready to try and kill their "buddy" in two or three months.

When I say "kill their buddy"...that is ment literality.
 
does there seem to be a rhyme or reason to an all season scrape,as far as where it is?
Not that I can find. Some of the most long-lived traditional scrapes on my place are on ridges while others are in valleys. Although if there is one characteristic that all seem to have, they are located at the convergence point of several travel routes.

Funny this topic should come up now, as one of the reasons I just bought a new black flash cam is to learn more about �traditional scrapes�.

I�m wondering:

Which age & class of buck opens them in the fall? (Is it a buck that used the scrape LAST season too, or is it just a likely place for ANY buck to scrape?)

Why are they located where they are?

How long are they active?

I have pics of bucks using licking branches in velvet, but never noticed year-long scrape PAWING. Early season scrap pawing (scrapes in Sept, when rut peaks in Nov.), yes. But late season scraping (after antler drop), no not seen that.
 
grundsow said:
I�m wondering:

Which age & class of buck opens them in the fall? (Is it a buck that used the scrape LAST season too, or is it just a likely place for ANY buck to scrape?)

Good question. I had noticed that as soon as I put a camera on a traditional scrape in fall, no matter how early, I start picking up bucks immediately. Perhaps the reason for that is they never stop using them.


Why are they located where they are?

First, remember scrapes are a form of "remote" communication (non-physical-pressence communication). The most efficient place to communicate with the most deer is to put the communication device where the most travel patterns intersect. I generally find "natural" traditional scrapes at the convergence of several travel patterns (often driven by terrain and/or habitat edge convergences). If I find a good convergence point that DOESN'T already have a scrape, that is where I will create a mock scrape in fall. I have had excellent success having these mock scrapes become traditional scrapes over time.
 
Thought you might like to know that I just now moved my cam to a �traditional scrape� location. Took about 2 weeks and several deer passing by until I got this pic of a deer (I believe a buck) working the licking branch in May, but you already knew that. No evidence yet of working the dirt out of season.

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Question, if he's one of few or maybe the only one working the branch, just who is he communicating with?
 
Grunds, I too have watched deer use the licking branches of Traditional scrapes pretty much year round. Once you know where these scrapes are you can actually sorta monitor their use by the licking branch. I have saw scrapes actually be moved a short distance because the deer had completely destroyed or eliminated the licking branch altogether over time! The licking branch is KEY in a Traditional year round scrape, without it they pretty much dont exist!
 

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