Timber pics

[PickettSFHunter]

Just thought I would share some pics of some timber that I have sold and is about to be cut. Figured I would get some before and after pics since it will be cut in the next month. It wasnt great timber, but I needed the browse and cover really bad that will come after its out of there. Ended up selling 20 acres of the 55 acres, holding the rest in case housing ever improves and prices go back up. It will be a select cut with 37K board foot of white oak, 10K board foot of red oak, 1300 board foot of chestnut oak, 3800 bd ft of poplar, 7100 bd ft of hickory and a small amount of soft maple took off it.So right at 60K board foot total with 60% of that being white oak. Just thought Id share, will share the ugly after effects soon LOL

 

[bigtex]

Good idea about the pics. I'm going to do the same with mine when it get's closer to being cut. I'm just going to have 10-12 acres in two areas cut on my 60 acres. I'm still taking bids on mine and supposed to have another logger come out after the first of the year. I really didn't want to have any cut but I do want to improve the habitat, and feel this will be the best way to do it.
Looks like you have some pretty nice looking timber, wish my land was as flat as yours.
Good luck to ya, hope it all goes as planned.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

Good idea about the pics. I'm going to do the same with mine when it get's closer to being cut. I'm just going to have 10-12 acres in two areas cut on my 60 acres. I'm still taking bids on mine and supposed to have another logger come out after the first of the year. I really didn't want to have any cut but I do want to improve the habitat, and feel this will be the best way to do it.
Looks like you have some pretty nice looking timber, wish my land was as flat as yours.
Good luck to ya, hope it all goes as planned.

Thanks, yep this is my gentle topography place here, Morgan Co. Good luck on your timber deal.

 

[treefarmer]

I suggest you fire up a chainsaw after they get going and cut down the remaining undesireable trees such as elm and treat the stumps with an herbicide, or deaden them where they stand. Otherwise those trees will be your next forest. The more trees you cut the more sunlight reaches the ground and the more food and thick cover you will have. If you have a crooked or misformed quality tree species such as oak you can cut the tree down and it will sprout a new tree from the stump and it will grow in a better form. Stump sprouts grow fast because of the good root system in place. I spend many weekends in my forest every winter doing this years before trees are cut in an effort to get the quality trees to seed new quality trees.

 

[nate17]

How much time do u have invested in estimating volume?

 

[Anonymous]

The AFTER PICS will not be as pretty

 

[PickettSFHunter]

How much time do u have invested in estimating volume?

I dont have any time in it. I mean I know how to calculate on the doyle system, I learned how to to help with buying places with timber, but getting a logger to trust my numbers wouldnt be easy since Im no forester. So I hired a forester to do it.

 

[richmanbarbeque]

That is easy hunting. You can't razz us Middle Tn guys any more. Great looking land,Steven.

 

[fourwheeler431]

I hope it doesn't end up like ours. This is one of the best places.

Most of the trees in the background are now gone also in this second pic.

 

[nate17]

How much time do u have invested in estimating volume?

I dont have any time in it. I mean I know how to calculate on the doyle system, I learned how to to help with buying places with timber, but getting a logger to trust my numbers wouldnt be easy since Im no forester. So I hired a forester to do it.

Copy. Thought u mighta did it yourself.

 

[Drop 4/5]

Good luck with the project Steve, I am down the road from ya on Peters Ford Rd. Looking for the follow up post on how things ended up.

 

[Football Hunter]

Good luck,cant wait to see how my places thickens up after my select cut this summer/fall

 

[BSK]

I'm having another 30 acres of my timber cut this summer, but spread across 8-10 patches.

 

[WMAn]

If you ask me, the before pics are ugly. An open understory hardwood forest, yuck!

Can't wait to see your beautiful after pics! :grin:

 

[timberjack86]

Hope all goes well buddy.

 

[Shooter77]

not trying to be to get into anyone's personal business...but i've always been curious on what kind of money timber brings in. you hear about people that buy property then cut the timber to get their money back. I've been looking at 70 acres and the owner says 100k in timber value on it. project like yours, does it come in the 1-10k,11-20k range or is it much higher. No one has to give me exact numbers.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

not trying to be to get into anyone's personal business...but i've always been curious on what kind of money timber brings in. you hear about people that buy property then cut the timber to get their money back. I've been looking at 70 acres and the owner says 100k in timber value on it. project like yours, does it come in the 1-10k,11-20k range or is it much higher. No one has to give me exact numbers.

I dont mind to be open and honest. I always hesitated to ask those questions as well so I understand where your coming from. I paid 500 an acre part of this land and 1050 an acre for another part of it. I ended up breaking even plus just a few hundred. Certainly wasnt a money maker for me but paid for that section. But timber is so dependent on so many factors that you just cant use what another guy gets as a judge. I expect to profit some money when I sell the rest of the timber on this place unless the market absoultely crashes, but Ill wait for higher prices on that, it has much larger and higher quality timber. My other land grows much better and more valuable timber than this property and I got it much cheaper so I expect to make around 2.5 times more on it because of the high amounts of cherry and hard maple. But this is certainly no easy thing to do, gotta buy low low with the right kind of timber and many other variables that you could write an entire book on.

 

[BSK]

not trying to be to get into anyone's personal business...but i've always been curious on what kind of money timber brings in. you hear about people that buy property then cut the timber to get their money back. I've been looking at 70 acres and the owner says 100k in timber value on it. project like yours, does it come in the 1-10k,11-20k range or is it much higher. No one has to give me exact numbers.

Some the loggers could give you better information, but from my experiences, much depends on the quality of the timber. The trees that bring the most money are those that will actually be used for lumber (hardwood flooring, furniture, trim, etc.) and veneer. That quality of timber holds its price fairly well. But the "tie logs" (trees used for railroad ties) and hardwood pulp market fluctuate quite a bit. From counting tree rings on the different grades of trees, I've found that quality lumber trees are generally over 60 years old. So much of timber value depends on how many trees per acre you have that are 60+ years old.

As an example, my property used to be two different properties. The northern property had been heavily high-graded about 30-35 years ago. The southern half hasn't been timbered for probably 70 years. I'm having patches of timber cut each summer from both ends of the property, and patches on the northern end--all trees 12" Diameter at Breast Heigth (DBH) and larger removed--has been paying around $2,000/acre at the mill (which is then split between logger and landowner). However, in the much better timber of the southern end of the property, the same size tree cut has been paying around $5,000/acre at the mill. The difference is the number of trees 60+ years old per acre. In the northern half, only scattered trees are 60+ years old (those left standing during the last timbering). In the southern half, virtually all trees are 60+ years old because of how long it has been since that area was last timbered.

For most of my region, where most properties have experienced significant high-grade timber harvests over the last 30-40 years, expect a 50/50 percentage split between landowner and logger to bring the landowner between $500-1,000 per acre profit.

 

[Football Hunter]

I'm having another 30 acres of my timber cut this summer, but spread across 8-10 patches.

I bet Jeremy loves that :) Straight up and down too?

 

[BSK]

I'm having another 30 acres of my timber cut this summer, but spread across 8-10 patches.

I bet Jeremy loves that :) Straight up and down too?

Is there any other type of ground? ;)

Jeremy really hates having to cable trees up those slopes!

 

[treefarmer]

The landowner next to me cut his hilly 210 acres of trees this past summer and received $625 per acre. The trees were about 70 years old. In our area only the north facing slopes and valley bottoms grow quality oak trees. The other slopes and ridge tops are too dry for a quality hardwood to grow.

 

[Boone 58]

:cool:

 

[BSK]

The landowner next to me cut his hilly 210 acres of trees this past summer and received $625 per acre. The trees were about 70 years old. In our area only the north facing slopes and valley bottoms grow quality oak trees. The other slopes and ridge tops are too dry for a quality hardwood to grow.

That payout sounds astonishingly low for 70 year-old hardwoods.

In our area, north-facing slopes and valleys bottoms always have the best timber. In fact, when I cut south and southwest facing slopes, I generally replant the upper half of the slopes in pines instead of allowing them to regenerate to hardwoods, due to the low-value trees that tend to estasblish in these locations (Mountain Chestnut Oak, Sourwood, etc.)

 

[landman]

The landowner next to me cut his hilly 210 acres of trees this past summer and received $625 per acre. The trees were about 70 years old. In our area only the north facing slopes and valley bottoms grow quality oak trees. The other slopes and ridge tops are too dry for a quality hardwood to grow.

That payout sounds astonishingly low for 70 year-old hardwoods.

In our area, north-facing slopes and valleys bottoms always have the best timber. In fact, when I cut south and southwest facing slopes, I generally replant the upper half of the slopes in pines instead of allowing them to regenerate to hardwoods, due to the low-value trees that tend to estasblish in these locations (Mountain Chestnut Oak, Sourwood, etc.)

I agree with BSK for 70 year old timber, must have not been much Oak or you didn't get your full value