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<blockquote data-quote="megalomaniac" data-source="post: 5578459" data-attributes="member: 2805"><p>Its my understanding the 'dominant gobbler theory' is that the hens observe every available male bird on the landscape, then choose the most suitable male, then only allow only that particular male to mate with her. If he is killed, the hen must start all over, reassess every adult male on the landscape, then pick the next most suitable male. If he is killed prior to mating, she has to start all over again without mating and pick the next male in line. If he is killed, and was the last one, she never mates.</p><p></p><p>I don't hang on Chamberlains every word, so maybe I'm not getting the 'dominant gobbler theory' so many are focused on (either in support or refute).</p><p></p><p>All I know is what happens in the real world... not some theory or academia which may or may not apply to the real world.</p><p></p><p>Toms absolutely compete with one another PRIOR to breeding and DURING breeding (no different than every other animal species) to ensure the most fit sires the most offspring. However, just like any other animal species, a hen would rather mate with a less than optimal mate if no optimal mate is available rather than not procreate at all.</p><p></p><p>So in essence, what happens in the real world is that a hen will allow ANY tom to mate with her when she ovulates, but shows preference to the most desirable (in her mind) at the time of ovulation. She will also mate with other males during ovulation (if available) to ensure greater genetic diversity.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So.... IF the strongest and most fit male is removed before breeding.... is that good for the species? Do you think it makes no difference whatsoever?</p><p></p><p>But all this comes down to whether we put the turkeys first, or our own self interests killing them first. The only thing I put ahead of killing turkeys now is making sure I have turkeys to kill 2, 5, 10, 30 years from now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="megalomaniac, post: 5578459, member: 2805"] Its my understanding the 'dominant gobbler theory' is that the hens observe every available male bird on the landscape, then choose the most suitable male, then only allow only that particular male to mate with her. If he is killed, the hen must start all over, reassess every adult male on the landscape, then pick the next most suitable male. If he is killed prior to mating, she has to start all over again without mating and pick the next male in line. If he is killed, and was the last one, she never mates. I don't hang on Chamberlains every word, so maybe I'm not getting the 'dominant gobbler theory' so many are focused on (either in support or refute). All I know is what happens in the real world... not some theory or academia which may or may not apply to the real world. Toms absolutely compete with one another PRIOR to breeding and DURING breeding (no different than every other animal species) to ensure the most fit sires the most offspring. However, just like any other animal species, a hen would rather mate with a less than optimal mate if no optimal mate is available rather than not procreate at all. So in essence, what happens in the real world is that a hen will allow ANY tom to mate with her when she ovulates, but shows preference to the most desirable (in her mind) at the time of ovulation. She will also mate with other males during ovulation (if available) to ensure greater genetic diversity. So.... IF the strongest and most fit male is removed before breeding.... is that good for the species? Do you think it makes no difference whatsoever? But all this comes down to whether we put the turkeys first, or our own self interests killing them first. The only thing I put ahead of killing turkeys now is making sure I have turkeys to kill 2, 5, 10, 30 years from now. [/QUOTE]
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