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Outdoors With John L. Sloan- Copyright John L. Sloan 11-2013
Nov. 6, 2013

Smoke On The Wind.

You can�t really call them smokepoles anymore. For most of us hunters, the days of the front-stuffing, black powder rifle are gone. Our muzzleloader season opens Saturday and runs through Nov. 22. However, few of us will be using black powder. Technology has taken over.
When Tony Knight invented the in-line muzzleloader, he changed the face of muzzle loading and the term primitive weapon. The only thing primitive about it is the single shot, down the barrel loading. Everything else is new as a sunrise.
I started with an old kit gun I bought for $80. I killed several deer with but it was as likely to misfire or hangfire as it was to shoot. My next step was an early day CVA in-line that may have been worse. Then I got a phone call from Tony Knight with an invitation to come hunt with him. Along with the invitation came a gift of a Knight Rifle, an in-line marvel. That completely changed muzzle loading for me. Never again would I feel handicapped in the deer woods because of my muzzleloader.
We became close friends and I was saddened to hear of his death this year. With the series of Knight Rifles that Tony presented to me each year, came more and better technology. Today I shoot a Knight Disc Rifle. I have had newer, fancier Knight Rifles but I kept coming back to this one because I could flat shoot it. With it, I have killed antelope at measured 210-yards and several deer between 175 and 200-yards. It has never once misfired or been �slow�.
For most Middle-Tennessee deer hunters, including me, the muzzleloader season is the best time of the entire year to kill a mature buck. If the weather cooperates, the bucks will be traveling, searching for a receptive doe. The traveling buck is the vulnerable buck. If the weather is hot, they will do most of their seeking at night. Let us hope for a cold, frosty morning.
This is also the best time of the season to call or rattle one within shooting distance. Again, thanks to the advances in technology that distance greatly increased. Sure, in the movies, we have all watched the mountain men shoot and kill grizzly bear at 300-yards with flintlocks. Some of those mountain men probably could do that. Maybe. None of us modern day nimrods could.
Today there are even muzzleloaders that use modern rifle powder and rifle primers for ignition. I have shot some of the Savage products and they shoot just like a rifle. Still, I prefer my antique in-line.
So what constitutes a muzzleloader and what are the rules? A muzzleloader is just that. It must be loaded down the barrel. Personally, I shoot 150-grains of Pyrodex in pellet form pushing a 275gr T-Shock bullet and sabot. It is a deadly load.
The limit is the same as for bow or rifle. Here in Unit L, we are allowed three does per day and one buck per day. We cannot kill more than three bucks per year. Of course, you must wear 500-square inches of hunter orange on your head and upper body.
Now here is a tip I don�t always give out. Would you like to have the most effective deer decoy ever known to man? If so, shoot the first doe that comes by you. Quickly reload and just sit there. There is nothing draws a buck in quicker than a doe this time of year. Now is the real secret. For some reason, a deer cannot tell where a muzzleloader shot comes from. I have shot at them, missed and had them walk right toward me. So do not be afraid to drop that doe.
Okay. Season opens Saturday at daylight, closes at dark Friday, Nov. 22. Hunt well, hunt safe and if you are successful, send me a picture. Weather permitting; I�ll be up a tree at daylight.
 
I totally agree with you about the Knight in-line. I hunt with a Black Knight in-line muzzleloader. It's an old gun handed down to me from my Dad. The gun is somewhere between 19-21 years old and still operates like perfect. I've killed at least 3 deer with it every year for the past 4 seasons, and look forward to taking a deer with it this year.
 
The list of people who fundamentally changed the way we look at a particular genre of firearm is a short one, but he's on it.
 
bowriter said:
Our muzzleloader season opens Saturday and runs through Nov. 22. However, few of us will be using black powder.

I do! I do!!

90 grains of Goex FFg for me. Love the smell of cordite in the morning.

But I agree, Knight changed the whole landscape of muzzleloader hunting, and for the better.
 
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I have a Knight Mk-85, SS barrel, laminated stock....my father has a Knight LK-93 Wolverine , blued barrel, camo synthetic stock...both were bought new 15 years ago. Neither one has ever misfired, either on the range or in the field. Both have all the origional parts. Someone was looking it over last year and asked, "has this thing ever been in the woods?"...lol. He was referring to the immaculate condition of the rifle. They are very sturdy rifles as well.
My first deer was killed with my Knight. In fact, the bucks hanging on my wall were also. I didnt own a centerfire rifle until 2 years ago. My Knight was always my trusted companion in the woods. My son will soon be old enough to have his own muzzleloader. It will be a Knight.
 
tony knight did not invent the inline muzzleloader. revolutionized maybe but it preceded him by about 400 years.
 
I bought 2 of the Knights when they first came out. I knew it couldn't get any better then this. As impressive as it was muzzle loading is changing as we speak. But Tony Knight sure made a huge step forward in the process. He probably at the time got more people interested in muzzle loading then did anyone else.
 
bbuck14 said:
But Tony Knight sure made a huge step forward in the process. He probably at the time got more people interested in muzzle loading then did anyone else.

I agree. And now, other companies have stepped up and improved the design even more. As much as I liked my Knight, disassembly and cleaning were pissers. Now break-open actions, and breech plugs that can be removed with just fingers, make cleaning amazingly easy.
 
The convenience of a Break Open action is why I went with the NEF guns when I bought a ML. I had tried one of the bolt action guns - don't recall whcih one - and it was just too tedious getting the primers in place. That was in warm weather pre-deer season. The NEF primer is contained in a plastic tab that is very easy to hold onto even with gloves. Now that same plastic tab that I just bragged on is also what I don't like about the NEF. You have to have the little plastic tabs to fire the gun. If they ever stop making them, the guns are non-functional. I bought a bunch of them for that reason.

Getting back to Bowriter's article, Tony Knight sure did have an impact on Muzzle loading. If he hadn't brought the dependability of a 209 primed ML to the market, hunting with a muzzle loader would still be undertaken by only a remnant of the total hunting population. I know I wouldn't be using one of the traditional guns - too afraid of seeing the buck of a lifetime and having a misfire! Now with a 209 primer and a subcaliber jacketed pistol bullet seated inside a sabot, which allows much higher velocity and flatter trajectory compared to full bore bullets, a ML hunter doesn't give up much capability compared to a cartridge gun hunter. In the woods, he doesn't really give up anything.
 
Thank you Tony for turning what used to be a primitive weapon season into something that isn't much different from regular modern day firearm seasons.

The man was a genius no doubt, but there is no place for a primitive weapon season any longer in states that have close to a million whitetails. If a state will allow a 'primitive' weapon that shoots smokeless powder and bullets at 2600 fps, might just as well allow hunters to use whatever weapon they prefer, and stop being restrictive. TWRA can still charge extra for the primitive weapon tag so revenues aren't hurt.
 
Headhunter said:
Inline muzzleloaders have been around almost as long as the percussion and flintlocks.

No one is saying Knight invented the inline. What we're saying is bringing the inline design to the hunting mass market revolutionized deer hunting with an MZ. And you can thank Tony Knight for mass-marketing the design.
 
BSK said:
bowriter said:
Our muzzleloader season opens Saturday and runs through Nov. 22. However, few of us will be using black powder.

I do! I do!!

90 grains of Goex FFg for me. Love the smell of cordite in the morning.

But I agree, Knight changed the whole landscape of muzzleloader hunting, and for the better.

Same here. Use it in my almost antique TC Thunderhwk[I know-this is a Knight thread] with no removeable breach and using #11 primers.
 
Sad to have heard of his passing. I met him in Vegas at the SHOT show shortly after he came out with the MK85. His booth had more people in and around it than any others that day. I still have one he only had a proto type at that show. The MK 85 Back Country Carbine with a shadow black lam stock. I told him what I wanted and less than a month later it was shipped to me. This was the garage days of modern muzzleloading.
 
I've moved from a side-hammer 50, to "Thor's Hammers" (a Kodial Grizzly doublebarrel in 58), to a Knight Wolverine, and now a T/C Omega, but I still like real black powder. Actually, I would prefer using some of the new stuff like 777, but once a barrel has been seasoned with black powder and "1000 Lube," switching to the new powders is not a good idea.
 
I bought one can of Pyro back 15 or so years ago and my wifes and my gun had multiple misfires[something we had never had with FFG once]. I gave it away.
Our barrels are seasoned and have never had petroleum based oils in them. Only food grade.
 
Kingston said:
Our barrels are seasoned and have never had petroleum based oils in them. Only food grade.

I learned about that from watching my brother's experiment switching from one to the other. He had been using FFg and vegetable/waxed based cleaners and lubes. No problems. Then he decided to try 777 and oil-based cleaners/lube. That new combination in the seasoned barrel produce a black glue-like tar substance that was nearly impossible to clean out. Now once it was cleaned out (HUGE effort), the 777 and oil-based lubes/cleaners work fantastic, and produce the easiest cleaning I've ever seen from an MZ. But switching from one to the other is a very bad idea. An MZ needs to be started with one or the other and then stick with it.
 
I started with an old CVA...a local artist from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan carved a buck on the stock...looking down on the stock going on both sides...he hand checkered the forestock. It was a beautiful gun...but sadly it was more beautiful to look at than to use as a hunting weapon...multiple misfires...the nipple cleaning and such drove me crazy. I used the brass powderhorn...etc. I finally sold it and wished I hadn't...looked good over the fireplace and the fellow who did the woodwork went on to become quite the legend around Michigan with his carvings. Good read BW
 
I clean my barrels with plain old hot water and dish soap. I flush and scrub a couple times and they are squeaky clean. I then flush with boiling water to get the barrel hot and it will dry in seconds. Couple dry patches and one very lightly oiled, then dry patched again. Barrel looks like it is brand new. Same deal with breech plug except no oil ever, just soap and water and flush. Never a missfire. Learned all this from Tony. Helped him clean guns after celebrity hunts several times and this was all he did to any of them.
 
My black knight (BK-92) is still a great shooting inline. After 20 years it will shoot a 1.5" group at 100 yards. 209 conversion kit, 100 grains of 777 and a 250 grain shockwave. The trigger is the best around the muzzleloader market.
 
bowriter said:
I clean my barrels with plain old hot water and dish soap. I flush and scrub a couple times and they are squeaky clean. I then flush with boiling water to get the barrel hot and it will dry in seconds. Couple dry patches and one very lightly oiled, then dry patched again. Barrel looks like it is brand new. Same deal with breech plug except no oil ever, just soap and water and flush. Never a missfire. Learned all this from Tony. Helped him clean guns after celebrity hunts several times and this was all he did to any of them.

Amen to that, Dawn dish soap, HOT water, cleans easy as pie.
 

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