TheLBLman":rq1rcu5k said:That's an impressive rack, especially the beam length,
but don't think he's going to score anything close to what so many are guessing.
Would like to see more pics, different angles, post-velvet shed. :)
My current guess is a gross score around 142.
Remember, much of the score comes from multiple tine lengths (not the width, not the beam length).
Yes, even more so since he's an East TN buck.tree_ghost":1d9t2j47 said:Impressive
TheLBLman":3ixb4c2q said:Yes, even more so since he's an East TN buck.tree_ghost":3ixb4c2q said:Impressive
This buck is on a friends trail cam who gave me the ok to share here, he has no history with this buck as far as I know! Hopefully I will get my hands on some more pics in the coming weeks! I would love to see him on the ground this fall!!TheLBLman":1uxnx82c said:Do you have any "history" with this buck, dating back into last or prior years? :)
Would love to see more pics of him, especially standing beside other bucks.
Yes, even more so since he's an East TN buck.tree_ghost":1uxnx82c said:Impressive
There has got to be more than 2" diff in his 2s and 3s whatever they measure don't you think?TheLBLman":1b4x7df1 said:Now that there's more to go on . . . . :tu:
He's a magnificent trophy, I'd shoot him in a heartbeat,
and I totally agree those are world-class main beams :)
Your 2nd (frontal) pic shows more of this buck's mass.
Just based on that single side-pic, this is not as evident.
I'll now up the ante from 142 to 146,
but still believe we're an inch or two short of that 150.
For example, just a slight change in those above measures can knock that down to under 146.
Mass- 14"
G1- 3.25"
G2- 6.5"
G3- 8.5"
G4- 7.0"
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X2= 78.5"
inside spread- 14"
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92.5"
main beams 26.5" x2 =53"
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145.5" gross
I think there is likely more than 2" difference in his G2's & 3's,JAY B":1rh8dglx said:There has got to be more than 2" diff in his 2s and 3s whatever they measure don't you think?
That's a very good point!! And it's all in fun, gotta find some way to pass the time till deer season right ! To be honest we will prob never know what he scores once late sept comes around and he finds his rock to climb under during the daylight hours! I know if he walked by me I would not be adding up score in my head, I would be to busy trying to settle myself down enough to take the safety off :DTheLBLman":nf7x4cdu said:I think there is likely more than 2" difference in his G2's & 3's,JAY B":nf7x4cdu said:There has got to be more than 2" diff in his 2s and 3s whatever they measure don't you think?
but still likely only about a 2" difference,
especially if the G3's are just a tad less long that what many are presuming.
You are likely providing the better score guess; just giving you mine.
This buck is a unique trophy, I don't care what he scores :)
Speaking of uniqueness, his G2's & 3's are what some would call bassackards.
Most bucks have longer G2's than 3's. This one has it reversed = more unique.
Also, since the G2's erupt on the main beam closer to the head,
this can make them appear to be shorter than they will measure,
when visibly compared to the G3's.
I was taking that into consideration with that "about" a 2" difference.
Honestly, I care very little about what they "score", but I do care how they "look" to me.JAY B":422o4hud said:And it's all in fun, gotta find some way to pass the time till deer season right ! . . . . . I know if he walked by me I would not be adding up score in my head, I would be to busy trying to settle myself down enough to take the safety off :D
Good mass seems hard to come by in my area ,most bucks that have good length have really spindly tines and beams , seems like all the Midwest deer have those chunky racks!!TheLBLman":137s3sgv said:Honestly, I care very little about what they "score", but I do care how they "look" to me.JAY B":137s3sgv said:And it's all in fun, gotta find some way to pass the time till deer season right ! . . . . . I know if he walked by me I would not be adding up score in my head, I would be to busy trying to settle myself down enough to take the safety off :D
What I "like" most in antlers is "mass",
and that's the one thing even heavily high-graded antlers in TN will typically have on mature bucks, MASS.
But "mass" doesn't do much for "score", typically.
The last mature buck I killed was in Nov 2014 (believed to be 6 1/2).
It was about a year later I "scored" him, although I was quick to measure his basal circumferences (were right at 5").
For me, the best "trophy" antlers are defined by uniqueness and mass, not score,
although I do appreciate it when one that is massive & unique, also scores well.
I'm just happy to go hunting, talk about hunting, run my trail cams, and do some fishing in between. :)
Going to put doe meat in the freezer to have "enough", and if see a mature buck with decent mass, he goes there too.
Last couple years, I've blown a couple good opportunities, and beyond that, decided to pass on some good bucks which had majorily broken antlers. Just hate it when one I've been watching finally gives me an opportunity, then I notice he's broken off an entire main beam!
A few years ago, I let walk one of the largest antlered mature bucks I've ever seen in TN (honestly believe he would have gross scored in the 170's as a clean mainframe 10-pointer). Had him dead to rights at about 15 yards, rifle in hand, crosshairs on him, then noticed he had broken off an entire main beam, so just watched him walk away. The next year was exciting in looking forward to seeing him again, with both antlers, as I believe he was only 4 1/2 when I gave him a pass.
Since he never showed up on any trail cam pics over a wide area, believe he simply died post-rut. IMO, natural mortality (which includes predation by coyotes) is probably around 40% (in many areas) on 4 1/2-yr-old bucks, and commonly they die in January-February, about the time they shed an antler. Something about the blood smell from a shed antler will cause coyotes to target a specific buck, unfortunately, at a time when that buck may be at his weakest moment and most vulnerable to dogs & coyotes for an entire year.
In my hunting areas, that is also the case, but mainly because "most" of those seen with good tine length, are typically only 2 1/2 or 3 1/2, and typically get killed at those ages (hunters high-grading the antlers). Most of the bucks which survive to maturity are the ones fewer hunters desired to shoot, and these are typically short-tined antlered bucks, commonly those that presented with 8 or fewer mainframe points (short ones at that) when they were 2 1/2 to 3 1/2.JAY B":2vfojjnn said:Good mass seems hard to come by in my area, most bucks that have good length have really spindly tines and beams.
JAY B":15wb8mir said:Let's here some score guesses on this buck ! I know he will be bigger next year :smash: but let's here what you think he will score now! His beams make me drool! BTW, this is not a Meigs County buck but is East TN!
I was going by the beams on this buck below when guessing the trail cam bucks beam length, they look like they are at least 2" longer as the buck belows beams do not curve in at all ! Crazy how closely these bucks resemble each other also!landman":5yckz6qj said:JAY B":5yckz6qj said:Let's here some score guesses on this buck ! I know he will be bigger next year :smash: but let's here what you think he will score now! His beams make me drool! BTW, this is not a Meigs County buck but is East TN!
Very Nice buck
This picture gives you a ruler.....
That ear is 6" long, average ear length for adult deer
From that you can see a lot or not a much as some believe, I'm with LBLMan, that it's in the low 140" range, looking at the ear tells you the main beam may be 22-23"
Great Buck for Most Every Hunter, for many a Buck of a Lifetime
Good Luck with Him
I am seeing the same thing as far as what looked like 24 turned into a couple more inches after seeing the turn in in front!megalomaniac":3hamr5eo said:I was thinking 24-25" beams when I saw the original pic... after seeing the second pic, I think they are every bit of 27-28" beams. He should hit mid 150's with a couple inches to spare.
Heckuva buck, even though he's narrow. Lay the same antlers out another 6", and I bet some peeps would guess he would hit 170"... amazing how much spread can make one over guess or under guess score. Good luck with him, there aren't many out there like him!