Straight-walled cartridges coming?

Inventry
UnlistMe
Tennessee Deer Sporting & Deer Hunting Community Forum

Help Support TNDeer | Tennessee Deer:

In CWD counties this was already allowed as the TWRA had changed muzzleloading season to any legal weapon

That was changed back but allowing straight wall cartridges statewide could be a compromise to make.


Nitrofire guns are already legal in TN so there is that.

Mr Simms is wrong in that muzzleloaders have to load the powder and projectile from the muzzle end to be legal
 
Doskil said:
In CWD counties this was already allowed as the TWRA had changed muzzleloading season to any legal weapon

That was changed back but allowing straight wall cartridges statewide could be a compromise to make.


Nitrofire guns are already legal in TN so there is that.

Mr Simms is wrong in that muzzleloaders have to load the powder and projectile from the muzzle end to be legal
Click to expand...

How is he wrong that muzzleloaders have to load from the muzzle to be legal? What is the definition of a muzzleloader?
 
A nitrofire gun, as I understand it, loads a plastic cartridge full of powder pellets through the breech not the muzzle.

Part of my negative response was based upon the fact that I too think weapons used during a designated "muzzleloader-only season," should be just that -- a muzzleloader, where the powder and bullet must be poured and rammed into the rifle barrel from the front end, just as our pioneer forefathers did.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
Perlick Faucet - Flow Control - Model 650SS
See price on Amazon
Perlick Faucet - Flow Control - Model 650SS
Fermentation Lids, Fermentation Kit for Wide Mouth Jars, 6 Set Plastic Fermenting Lids with 6 Airlocks, 6 Silicone Grommets, 6 Silicone Rings(Jars Not Included)
See price on Amazon
Fermentation Lids, Fermentation Kit for Wide Mouth Jars, 6 Set Plastic Fermenting Lids with 6 Airlocks, 6 Silicone Grommets, 6 Silicone Rings(Jars Not Included)
Husqvarna X-Cut SP33G 20 Inch Chainsaw Chain, .325" Pitch, .050" Gauge, 80 Drive Links, Pre-Stretched Chainsaw Blade Replacement with Superior Lubrication and Low Kickback, 581643680
See price on Amazon
Husqvarna X-Cut SP33G 20 Inch Chainsaw Chain, .325" Pitch, .050" Gauge, 80 Drive Links, Pre-Stretched Chainsaw Blade Replacement with Superior Lubrication and Low Kickback, 581643680
Amazon Basics 8-Piece Wood Chisel Set for Woodworking, with Honing Guide, Sharpening Stone and Storage Case, 1/4" - 1-1/2"
See price on Amazon
Amazon Basics 8-Piece Wood Chisel Set for Woodworking, with Honing Guide, Sharpening Stone and Storage Case, 1/4" - 1-1/2"
Original Patented Airlock Fermentation Lids for Wide Mouth Mason Jars, Fermenter Caps, Fermentation Kit for Sauerkraut & Pickle Kit, One Way Waterless Airlock Valve - BPA-Free (Jar Not Included)
See price on Amazon
Original Patented Airlock Fermentation Lids for Wide Mouth Mason Jars, Fermenter Caps, Fermentation Kit for Sauerkraut & Pickle Kit, One Way Waterless Airlock Valve - BPA-Free (Jar Not Included)
BLACK+DECKER 20V MAX Chain Saw Cordless Chainsaw, 10-Inch Battery Chainsaw, Tool Only, for Wood Cutting and Tree Pruning, Includes Guide Bar Scabbard (LCS1020B)
See price on Amazon
BLACK+DECKER 20V MAX Chain Saw Cordless Chainsaw, 10-Inch Battery Chainsaw, Tool Only, for Wood Cutting and Tree Pruning, Includes Guide Bar Scabbard (LCS1020B)
GREBSTK 4-Piece Ultra-Sharp Wood Chisel Set, CR-V Steel Beveled Blades with Guards, Comfortable & Durable Handle, for Carving, DIY & Woodworking (1/4", 1/2", 3/4", 1")
See price on Amazon
GREBSTK 4-Piece Ultra-Sharp Wood Chisel Set, CR-V Steel Beveled Blades with Guards, Comfortable & Durable Handle, for Carving, DIY & Woodworking (1/4", 1/2", 3/4", 1")
Husqvarna 585550084 24" C83 X-Cut 24" Chain 3/8" .050" 84 DL 3 Pack
See price on Amazon
Husqvarna 585550084 24" C83 X-Cut 24" Chain 3/8" .050" 84 DL 3 Pack
WEN Electric Log Splitter, 6.5-Ton Capacity with Portable Stand (56208)
See price on Amazon
WEN Electric Log Splitter, 6.5-Ton Capacity with Portable Stand (56208)
Briess 2-Row Caramel Malt 90L - 1 lb
See price on Amazon
Briess 2-Row Caramel Malt 90L - 1 lb
As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases. Product prices and availability are accurate as of the date/time indicated and are subject to change.
If it did pass, it would only be for rifle cartridges and not include shotgun...correct?

Overtime, these short range cartridges will become the norm vs. your 30.06. Just look at Lawrence county now....there are few large landholdings anymore. It is Seek One with a rifle now.
 
Read the article

It mentions the specific guns that would be allowed

Not just any rifle or shotgun
 
Last edited:
Doskil said:
A nitrofire gun, as I understand it, loads a plastic cartridge full of powder pellets through the breech not the muzzle.
Click to expand...
Is that like the new muzzleloader from Traditions ? That was the gun I seen advertised that prompted me to ask the question . It is strictly loaded from a break down model from the breech with something that looks like a .410 shell . Could be a quick reloader . Sorry my bad I replied before seeing this reply ^^^^^^ If this straight walled thing gets passed guess I'll hang up my trusty Knight and break out my Marlin 1895 45-70 .
 
Last edited:
Carlos said:
If this is passed all of our MZ will be obsolete in TN.

Guys who still hunt with them in other states will buy them from us for pennies on the dollar.
Click to expand...
I'd definitely stop hunting with my smokeless muzzleloader. .might try to sell it to my uncle in KY.
 
Carlos said:
If this is passed all of our MZ will be obsolete in TN.

Guys who still hunt with them in other states will buy them from us for pennies on the dollar.
Click to expand...

No they won't.

They are more accurate and have more range that a shotgun with slugs

Nobody is going to dump their muzzleloaders for single shot hammer slug guns
 
Doskil said:
No they won't.

They are more accurate and have more range that a shotgun with slugs

Nobody is going to dump their muzzleloaders for single shot hammer slug guns
Click to expand...
Afaik it's straight-wall rifle calibers that are being considered, not shotguns.
 
BSK said:
And by the way, I will never again support the TWF for pushing for this. They are clearly not a good "conservation" group. In fact, I will actively fight against them.
Click to expand...

I hear you. I'm all for advancements in technology, it's a good thing. Heck, without them we wouldn't enjoy metallic cartridges like we do today, but muzzleloader season ought to be for muzzleloaders only.

If they allow this, might as well just open deer season in September and any weapon and method goes.
 
Lost Lake said:
If they allow this, might as well just open deer season in September and any weapon and method goes.
Click to expand...
Agree completely.

Although, to be completely honest, if this passes, will I participate? Heck yea I will. I'll have a single-shot 444 Marlin or 45-70 so fast it will make your head spin.
 
Doskil said:
No they won't.

They are more accurate and have more range that a shotgun with slugs

Nobody is going to dump their muzzleloaders for single shot hammer slug guns
Click to expand...
The ballistics on a .50 cal inline using a BP sub and a 3" 20 gauge saboted slug are almost identical. What isn't is how easily you can hunt in wet weather or how easily you can load/reload.

I'm generally opposed to it but could make an argument for recruiting young hunters- they get to hunt the last of October then they are largely shut out of muzzleloader because so few are available that can fit kids. I wouldn't want them limited to only exposed-hammer guns- those are accidental discharges waiting to happen with their smaller, weaker, and less-experienced hands. I don't know what's out there besides maybe a Ruger No. 1 for single shots though.
 
BSK said:
Agree completely.

Although, to be completely honest, if this passes, will I participate? Heck yea I will. I'll have a single-shot 444 Marlin or 45-70 so fast it will make your head spin.
Click to expand...
I've already been scouring the internet to educate myself about single shot rifles myself. I don't love the change, but I haven't hunted with a muzzleloader for a few years. This will get me back out there at least one of the weekends.
 
MickThompson said:
I wouldn't want them limited to only exposed-hammer guns- those are accidental discharges waiting to happen with their smaller, weaker, and less-experienced hands. I don't know what's out there besides maybe a Ruger No. 1 for single shots though.
Click to expand...
The way the rule is being pushed now, it is exposed hammer. I've been looking at guns in this category and CVA is making a line-up of break-action single-shots.
 
BSK said:
The way the rule is being pushed now, it is exposed hammer. I've been looking at guns in this category and CVA is making a line-up of break-action single-shots.
Click to expand...
I did a quick search and I could only find 1 Turkish built hammer less single shot in 350 legend so exposed hammer may be a completely unnecessary requirement.
 
Trapper John said:
I've already been scouring the internet to educate myself about single shot rifles myself. I don't love the change, but I haven't hunted with a muzzleloader for a few years. This will get me back out there at least one of the weekends.
Click to expand...
I've been searching these guns as well. If they include rolling blocks, that increases the number of rifles available.

I've found Rossi LWC, CVA Scout, Henry single-shots, Winchester 1885 High-Wall, and others. Heck, I think a Contender or Encore would be legal in 35 Rem, 444 Marlin, or 45-70.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top