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I am just looking for some input. I have, for years been wondering why someone cant use a small amount of rifle powder in a muzzleloader. Now before you guys jump on me and call me an idiot. I know that all of the manufacturers (except Savage) forbid using it. The obvious negatives are of course that the thing could blow up in your face but realisticly if tested properly. I think someone could work up to a safe charge that will work well in modern muzzleloaders.
 
You're an idiot.




Sorry- I waited almost 21 hours, hoping someone else would post it first :D -

it was killing me.

As will doing that in a muzzleloader not designed for it will do to you.
 
ewc said:
You're an idiot.




Sorry- I waited almost 21 hours, hoping someone else would post it first :D -

it was killing me.

As will doing that in a muzzleloader not designed for it will do to you.
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About all you can say about that.
 
jbhtn said:
I am just looking for some input. I have, for years been wondering why someone cant use a small amount of rifle powder in a muzzleloader. Now before you guys jump on me and call me an idiot. I know that all of the manufacturers (except Savage) forbid using it. The obvious negatives are of course that the thing could blow up in your face but realisticly if tested properly. I think someone could work up to a safe charge that will work well in modern muzzleloaders.
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Be the first in your neighborhood, post your home address so we can send flowers to the widow......................Somethings are better left alone.

FDXX75
 
You trying to save some money on powder doing this?
If not, slashing your wrists will hurt a lot less.
 
I thought maybe I could get some insight into what I thought was an interesting topic but all I got was insults. I really apreciate all of your brilliant discussion on this topic.
 
It's a very interesting topic and an addictive hobby for me. We can discuss any aspect of it you want, but pouring smokeless into a barrel designed for 1/3 the pressure is idiotic.

If you want insight how to do it right, post about using it in a gun designed for it and the response will be enough to keep you busy for a year.

I meant no insult, you opened that door - for which I waited 21 hours to enter-

Merry Christmas-
 
jbhtn said:
I thought maybe I could get some insight into what I thought was an interesting topic but all I got was insults. I really apreciate all of your brilliant discussion on this topic.
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Instead of being sarcastic about it, you should thank us. You are lucky you didn't get a comment telling you to pour 60 grs of smokeless in the barrel and told to pull the trigger.

Consider it sound advise, you may have gotten 2 shots or 200 out of the gun before it blows up in your face. Once again, be a pioneer, let us know how it works out for ya. Actually, I would rather not know.

FDXX75
 
Quiver said:
You can PM me, and we can chat. I promise no insults. I'm in Mid TN if you want to compare notes.
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Honestly...it scares the hell out of me everytime you touch one off.
 
well if thats got you wondering! then maybe you can post your results as you do your research with diff smokeless powder vs. the black & its subs. one suggestion try the slowest burn rate powder 1st! i am happy with my black & subs but i will read all your research and result posts.
 
Quiver-
I used a guess on a couple of parameters for your gun. Pressure predicted was 32,000 (best case) and 36,000 (worst case). Most recommended black powder loads are in the 22,000 +/- range. Fiddle with the parameters to suit exactly what you put down your barrel. You have to add sabot weight to bullet weight to come up with projectile weight. Also, you have to know cartridge length. This # is powder column length. You can measure this by marking your ramrod in an empty bore and then pouring your charge down the barrel and compressing it, mark your ramrod again. Measure the space betreen the two marks with a dial caliper. I guessed at charge length, speed, and charge weight. Note this: I guessed you may be shooting at 1,900 fps. If you are actually shooting 2,300 pressure increases by 20,000 psi. Play around with the link.

FWIW- my loads in my .40 are 41-43,000 psi at just under 2,800fps.

Also, I only posted this for informational use only. I still believe you should only shoot smokeless out of a gun that was designed for it.

http://solidrocktechnologies.com/bin/cu ... culate+CUP
 
Thanks for helping my boy out ewc :)

A long time ago I remember a guy at Kmart (when they used to sell guns and that's where you went to get one) that looked like he had lost a fight with a bear. He put a brown paper bag on the counter with the remains of a sidelock that he had used smokeless powder in. It was blown to pieces and the dude was lucky not to have lost his eyes, his whole face was purple, green and black.
 
This was the kind of discussion I was looking for. The reason I brought this up is because I am an avid realoader and this type of stuff is about all I like to mess with. I have a know a few guys that I share load info with that have been doing it for a couple of years and they have good results. It eliminates issues such as barrel fouling and inconsistencies in powder burn rates and such. It is just a topic that I have been interested in and wanted to hear some other opinions.
 
http://www.smokelessmuzzleloading.com/loadingchart.html

It's nothing to play with for sure. I've been a bit shy of muzzleloaders for a long time but �NOT� because of using smokeless. I bought a used T/C .45 cal sidelock some fifteen years ago. Took it home and cleaned it good. Then loaded it up with 70 grains of black powder , round ball and patch, slid on a cap, raised it up and bang! I thought I was dead, blood running into my eyes and a immediate headache. I honestly thought I blew the top of my head off. Thank goodness for me thinking to grab a cheap set of those yellow Remington shooting glasses and actually wearing them. What had happened was the nipple exploded. Not sure why, the powder was new and everything on the gun was in like new condition. The nipple shattered and filled my forehead with around twenty tiny flakes of shrapnel that took a painful doctors visit the next day to dig out as well as a nice tetanus shot to go with it. A freak accident, yeah, but I'll never forget it. I think about it each and every time I see a muzzleloader.
 
you might want to study up on the constuction of common muzzle loaders before trying a little rifle powder. I would not be surprised if some of the modern inlines could possibly tolerate a bit of smokeless powder but if you compare the construction of a "designed for smokeless rifle" to all the non smokeless rifles they are considerably different.
 
have they been using smokelesspowder in a bp rifle? i reload also and curious how much and what kind if smokeless?what about accuracy?never seen a smokeless/blackpowder conversion chart. man be careful no bs. merry christmas.
 

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