cjmt29
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Anyone know a place where you may be able to go look at a few options? I was wanting to see a few in person before purchasing. Thanks for any suggestions.
Single Shot Straight Wall
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Maybe sportsman's warehouse
Benton shooters if your in South East TN
I suspect there will be a ton of CVA scouts sold.
tpgarrett21
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I'd say you're spot on... I have a couple and just picked one up in 44 magnum to use this year... was hard to pass up at $269... can't wait to shoot it after putting the vortex crossfire on it
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When H&R Handi Rifles stopped being made, CVA stepped in and filled that void quite well. I can't imagine how many Scouts have been sold the past few years.
The cva scout gets good reviews. They are inexpensive. And I bet BassPro marks them down for their big August hunting sale and sell a bunch of them. And I expect the sale of muzzle loaders in TN declines.
A lot of muzzle loaders cost more than the CVA Scout.
A lot of muzzle loaders cost more than the CVA Scout.
cjmt29
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What kind of range do you get with the 350? I'm wanting to at least stay accurate out to 200 yards. Thanks a bunch.
I have kills with 350 legend from 10 yards to 310-315 with none of them going over 30 yards, most are drt with 180 grain federal blue box
I got mine not too long ago and just shot at 50. The last 3 shots were all touching once sighted in and it almost looked like 1 hole. I have not shot past that, Griswold seems to know way more than me on yardage and been shooting it longer. I shot Winchester 150 grain XP.
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450 bushmaster if you dont reload
But why would you want extra felt recoil,heavier weapon, more expensive ammo? A 350 is very capable alot farther than most can shoot. I have a vx3hd cds on my 350 and have had no problems out to 315 yards on tn whitetail with 180 grain federals.
cjmt29
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I greatly appreciate all the feedback. Very valuable info.
I'll just hunt with my Knight , it shoots about as accurate as my rifle to about 100 yards unless I run upon a deal for a single shot straight wall . Did get a muzzleloader barrel for my Encore so I might see how it preforms . Ahh might be looking for a straight walled caliber for the Encore ...did find one but I'll not pay what they was asking . Don't know how many years I'll be able to hunt anyways 
BSK
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Now that Thompson Center is back in business, have you seen what they're asking for the new Encore? $1,150!!! :eek:I'll just hunt with my Knight , it shoots about as accurate as my rifle to about 100 yards unless I run upon a deal for a single shot straight wall . Did get a muzzleloader barrel for my Encore so I might see how it preforms . Ahh might be looking for a straight walled caliber for the Encore ...did find one but I'll not pay what they was asking . Don't know how many years I'll be able to hunt anyways
From my kid's experience with 350 Legend (bolt and AR), you'll need to pick the right bullet for reliable results (penetration/exit) out to 200 yds. It's plenty capable from a ballistics standpoint as long as you know how your gun/ammo performs.
To throw in extra confusion, I went with a 360 Buckhammer (CVA Scout) for the PW season here in MS. The 360 BH has a little more horsepower than the 350 Legend and recoil is very similar.
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Thank you for the correction my statement is broad
Every one is different as is their experiences with rifles in the woods
Recoil never bothers me
Weight is not enough difference to matter
It meets his criteria of accurate to 200 yards
More energy
Bigger hole
All things I like in a woods rifle however not necessary as I have killed several with a 223
And this fall 22-250
There is a lot of pros with a 350 legend
I'm just not a fan
Personally come straight wall season
I will tote 3
460 s&w 20 inch barrel suppressed 2600 fps or so with 200 ftx
44 mag 300 xtp subsonic I do have a great video kill from last year with it
And
450 Marlin 650 grain subsonic load
16 inch 10 twist
Good times ahead
Unless you a deer
Ive not caught one single 180 grain federal bullet from 10 yards to 315 all exits and most shoulder shots on over two dozen tn whitetails. Even the one i shot from stem to stern at 115 yards on adult 98 pound dressed doe was an complete straight pass through. These are just my experiences with 20 inch barrel 350 legend and federal 180 grainers
A 30-30 penetrates nothing like a 350 legend past 150 yards
Care to explain? Let's just use Hornadys data for example, a 160gr ftx lever revolution out of a 30-30 is going 1917 fps at 200yds and a 165gr ftx 350 legend is going 1612fps. So your saying a bullet of nearly the same weight with a larger frontal diameter that is going slower is going to penetrate more ? Lets compare 170gr bullet weights at 200yds. Federal fusion 170gr out of a 30-30 is going 1719 fps with 1115 ft-lbs of energy, Hornady American whitetail 170gr out of a 350 legend is going 1529 fps with 882 ft-lbs of energy. We can even throw in the federal power shok 180gr in 350 legend is going 1500fps at 200yds with 650 ft-lbs of energy. I would assume the reason your seeing all pass throughs at those long ranges is because the bullet is likely not expanding or expanding very little. So I stand corrected by the data the 30-30 at 200 yds is Superior compared to a 350 legend with heavier loadings.
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We've had different results with Win Deer Season XP 150 gr. We didn't get exits on 2 mature bucks at around 175 yds, but performance has been good between 20-100 yds. I switched to Barnes Vortx 170 gr for better bullet integrity but we've yet to try one on a deer.
I posted this on another location, but thought you may be instrested in this. I listened to the commissioners' meeting on the internet when this issue was voted on. The original proposal was to allow straight-walled hunting during the second week of muzzleloading, but before they voted, an amendment was proposed which stated the gun had to be a single-shot, break-down gun. The amendment was passed, and then they voted on the entire proposal, and it passed. That is why you cannot use a bolt-action gun with a block to make it single-shot. Now, the reasoning for that was that the game wardens would have a hard time determining if the guns were legal. I think if the game wardens couldn't tell the difference, then he probably should not be a game warden anyway. I think the real reason is that someone was pushing the commissioners to do this because of the actural sale of single shot rifles their only a very few manufacturies of these guns probally lot of lobbing money being spent to sale more guns that being said I own a bolt action 350 legend rifle instead of we purchasing a 30.00 block for my gun i have to purchase a 500.00 break down gun to be legal to hunt for one week. Everyone should call your commissioners and let them know that they are supposed to be helping out the hunters instead of lobbyists for gun sales.
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DoubleRidge
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Cant say I called but I've sent multiple emails to several commissioners and various committee members on the negative effects of baiting along with the use of centerfire during muzzloader. Neither went the way I prefer but I made my voice heard. Just shake my head and move on. Some things will never make sense.
I have a bolt action 350 as well, for rifle season.
No one has to purchase anything. People can just use their muzzleloader like always.
If someone wants to purchase a single shot they can, they don't have to buy one.
I cant explain im not a physicist or data man, all i know is real world results with the kills ive made with each and the 30/30 doestn penetrate with the 350 past 150. Im not a ballistic gel or paper puncher, im a killer of critters, if my 270 or 300 will kill it my 350 will just as well out to 300 yards
I have no doubt your 350 is penetrating better at long ranges because it doesn't have enough velocity to expand those bullets and your essentially just shooting a .357 full metal jacket penciling through especially at 300 yards. I'm sure it kills them but I prefer to stick to closer ranges with my 30-30 and 350 so I know the bullets is expanding.
