Safety Harnesses and Life Lines?

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MuzzyMan12

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After posting about my Father-in-Laws unfortunate accident Sunday morning I got to thinking. I need and welcome all input on this topic. I want to replace the safety harness that came with my summit climber. It also came with a the tree strap that I can move up the tree as I climb so I'm connected from the ground up. I wanted to poll the site on manufactures, models, pros, cons etc. Money is not an option after the events that took place. I'm looking forward to the feed back.
 
I've used Hunters Safety Systems harnesses, Muddy, and Gorilla Harnesses. The Hunter Safety System I had didn't have any shoulder adjustments, which made it really uncomfortable due to my height. I really like my muddy because its light, has tons of adjustments and you cant really tell you're wearing it. I really like the lifelines from either company!
 
I've got a plain jane summit harness and the strap I used a doubled piece of rope which I tie around the tree. My wooden tree stand has a homemade lifeline like the HSS but half the cost.
 
I make my own lifeline with blue core safety rope and tie my own prusick (sp?) knot for ascending and descending the tree. Still use my summit harness and attach it to the knot. I simply slide the knot up or down as I ascend or descend the tree.
 
I use the hss love it and one our lock on stand we have the hss life line. with all of the many good safety harness on the market I don't think you could go wrong.
 
Got the Gorilla harness and HS Lifelines in all my hangons. Keep an eye on eBay for Lifelines, was able to pick up 2 3-packs @$90 a piece. Worth every penny, one of the few hunting purchases my wife was excited about. :)
 
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I use a rock climbing style harness that is so much safer, more versatile and much more comfortable than any HSS vest style harness ever thought about being....and it is cheaper too.

Look at it this way....what happens if you fall in a vest, behind the back styled harness and are either knocked unconscious, or you cannot quickly recover or get your suspension relief strap hooked up�your hanging dead in a few minutes! In a mountaineering style harness, like this one.... http://www.rei.com/product/819452/black ... ng-harness that has been in use for decades, you will and can just safely hang there for hours with no risk of suspension trauma.

There is a store down your way, Rock Creek Outfitters, that I suggest you get in contact with and get setup.
 
TNDeerGuy said:
I use a rock climbing style harness that is so much safer, more versatile and much more comfortable than any HSS vest style harness ever thought about being....and it is cheaper too.

How do you attach it? The attachment point is at your waist in front. Seems like it would be inconvenient for hunting, especially bow hunting. They would be a lot lighter then any of the vests/harnesses I've used so far.
 
Going back to the root cause of the problem is why/how did both ratchet straps break at the same time when your Father in law got in the stand? Had these straps been on the tree since last year? Were they real cheap straps? Chewed by squirrels? I'd like to hear more about the details of the failure myself. Harnesses are good but there should be a way to have a reasonable assurance the stand won't fall off the tree in the 1st place.

For what it's worth, I used 2 of those thick 2" wide straps that have a working strength rating of about 3,000lbs when I put my home welded ladder stand up several years ago. (I've used the same straps to hold lumber in my truck and they will flex the entire tail gate of the truck easily.) If you are going to use the little straps, go the extra mile and double them up with 2 on top and 2 on bottom. For me, I want excessive, ridiculous overkill.
 
Rkcrawl said:
TNDeerGuy said:
I use a rock climbing style harness that is so much safer, more versatile and much more comfortable than any HSS vest style harness ever thought about being....and it is cheaper too.

How do you attach it? The attachment point is at your waist in front. Seems like it would be inconvenient for hunting, especially bow hunting. They would be a lot lighter then any of the vests/harnesses I've used so far.

Oh yes....they are light�half the time you won't know it's on. It does attach to the front, and you can lightly sew a thin piece of Velcro on the back of your hip portion of the harness that you can run the line/strap through or tie it off with a rubber band, but it will still easily break away in case of a fall. A lot of times I just let my line/strap hang.

It actually is much easier to bowhunt with than the vest style because the strap is at waist level instead of at your shoulders. How many times have you had a deer at your right side and you've gone to draw back and the strap is in the way of your draw arm and you have to spin around or re-position the strap?

Another thing you can do with this style is when you are installing lock-ons, you can hang from the tree and have both hands free to work on the stand�try that with a vest-style! ;)
 
TNDeerGuy said:
I use a rock climbing style harness that is so much safer, more versatile and much more comfortable than any HSS vest style harness ever thought about being....and it is cheaper too.

Look at it this way....what happens if you fall in a vest, behind the back styled harness and are either knocked unconscious, or you cannot quickly recover or get your suspension relief strap hooked up—your hanging dead in a few minutes! In a mountaineering style harness, like this one.... http://www.rei.com/product/819452/black ... ng-harness that has been in use for decades, you will and can just safely hang there for hours with no risk of suspension trauma.

There is a store down your way, Rock Creek Outfitters, that I suggest you get in contact with and get setup.

Have you ever fallen with this set-up to see how it feels and works? Just curious.
 
hitek7 said:
TNDeerGuy said:
I use a rock climbing style harness that is so much safer, more versatile and much more comfortable than any HSS vest style harness ever thought about being....and it is cheaper too.

Look at it this way....what happens if you fall in a vest, behind the back styled harness and are either knocked unconscious, or you cannot quickly recover or get your suspension relief strap hooked up—your hanging dead in a few minutes! In a mountaineering style harness, like this one.... http://www.rei.com/product/819452/black ... ng-harness that has been in use for decades, you will and can just safely hang there for hours with no risk of suspension trauma.

There is a store down your way, Rock Creek Outfitters, that I suggest you get in contact with and get setup.

Have you ever fallen with this set-up to see how it feels and works? Just curious.

I can't count the number of times I've fallen with this style harness on, and the positions I've fallen in�I used to rock climb and repel when I lived back home in SE TN. I wouldn't say it the most enjoyable thing on the planet, but it didn't hurt because the way these harnesses are designed to distribute the weight around the waist/lower back and the back of the legs. I have done a "simulated" fall out of a tree and the only difference between a tree stand fall and falling off of a rock wall is rock wall falls are a little "softer" due to the dynamic rope that we use that provides a little stretch to absorb the shock, versus a tree stand fall which are static falls.
 
Diehard Hunter said:
I make my own lifeline with blue core safety rope and tie my own prusick (sp?) knot for ascending and descending the tree. Still use my summit harness and attach it to the knot. I simply slide the knot up or down as I ascend or descend the tree.

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I went to climbing shop and bought 100 or 150 feet of Bluewater climbing/rapelling rope and then just cut it to length for each stand/setup. I got this static rope because it is olive green and looks just like a vine, but dynamic would really be better as it stretches and will absorb some of the shock if you fall. It is not cheap, but worth the price. And for the number of stands you can setup, it is cheaper than pre-fab lifelines from HSS, etc. Plus, I never have to worry if it will be the right length for a stand.

I actually used that Bluewater climbing rope to duplicate and replace the tree rope that came with my Summit Viper. It is at least as strong but much more compact. I also replaced the steel D-ring that Summit supplies with a locking aluminum caribiner that is much quicker and lighter. However, it MUST be a true CLIMBING biner; the biners you see in walmart, etc. will not even slow you down if you shock load them. And if you do shock load even a climbing biner, throw it away--the shock can create microfractures in the aluminum that you cannot see, causing it to fail if you shock load it again. Also, I strongly recommend a screwlocking biner. Without a locked gate, during hours in the stand, it would be way to easy to wedge the gate open without even knowing it, or to shock load the sides of the biner in a fall.

I always carry two tree ropes when using my Viper. If I reach a limb I want to climb over, I can put the second rope around the trunk above the limb and clip in, then unclip and remove the first tree rope, then move my seat above the limb/fork while remaining tied in at all times.

On fixed stands, I tie a lifeline to the bottom of the seat or edge of the plaform, then again to the bottom rung of the ladder. I tie my safety rope to the tree itself above the seat (if you tie to te stand, you are SOL if the straps or stand break), with the tail extending to the top of the lifeline. I can slide my prussik up the lifeline, then clip into the prussick on my safety/tree rope, then unclip from the lifeline, then climb on into the stand. That way, when I move in the stand, or stand or turn for a shot, my lifeline does not dance crazily at ground level and startle game. In buddy stands, I tie the tree/safety rope with two tails and a prussik on each, and two prussiks on the same lifeline. Everbody is tied in the entire time their feet are off the ground.
 
P.S. I got my ropes and biners at Rock Creek because it is just a couple miles from me and I already knew what I wanted, but On Rope (Hwy 58) is at least as close to you, and the owner literally wrote the book on climbing. That's the place to go, in my opinion. Do not go to Rock Creek and trust their staff to tell you what you need or how to set it up.
 
Hill Country Hunter said:
P.S. I got my ropes and biners at Rock Creek because it is just a couple miles from me and I already knew what I wanted, but On Rope (Hwy 58) is at least as close to you, and the owner literally wrote the book on climbing. That's the place to go, in my opinion. Do not go to Rock Creek and trust their staff to tell you what you need or how to set it up.

It has been almost 20yrs since I've been in there (rock creek) and it sucks that they have gone downhill, but it is good to know that there is a better option in the area because they used to be the only game in town, and were pretty knowledgeable. I may visit this On Rope place myself because I need more rope and another carabiner or two.
 
HSS vest always strapped to the tree when using the climber. HSS vest and HSS Lifeline on the ladder stand.
 
I wear a HSS harness, not because I'm an expert. But because three years ago I was told it was among the best out there. I like it and feel Safe but this thread has me thinking. The "Swiss seat" style described on the REI link is interesting. In my military days you could hang for hours as I remember it. Thanks
 
flyinpro said:
I wear a HSS harness, not because I'm an expert. But because three years ago I was told it was among the best out there. I like it and feel Safe but this thread has me thinking. The "Swiss seat" style described on the REI link is interesting. In my military days you could hang for hours as I remember it. Thanks

We, as a hunting community, have been programed that the vest style is the best thing for us through their use of advertising and marketing and filling a need�the need for safety in treestands. Instead of going with something that has been used safely for decades, the vest manufacturers have tried to re-invent the wheel. As you said about the swiss seat (climbing harness configured out of rope), "you could hang for hours" and you're correct....you do that in a vest and you're dead. We are victims of creative and successful marketing/advertising.
 
TNDeerGuy said:
I use a rock climbing style harness that is so much safer, more versatile and much more comfortable than any HSS vest style harness ever thought about being....and it is cheaper too.

Look at it this way....what happens if you fall in a vest, behind the back styled harness and are either knocked unconscious, or you cannot quickly recover or get your suspension relief strap hooked up�your hanging dead in a few minutes! In a mountaineering style harness, like this one.... http://www.rei.com/product/819452/black ... ng-harness that has been in use for decades, you will and can just safely hang there for hours with no risk of suspension trauma.

There is a store down your way, Rock Creek Outfitters, that I suggest you get in contact with and get setup.

where can you buy a harness like yours?
 
deerhunter10 said:
TNDeerGuy said:
I use a rock climbing style harness that is so much safer, more versatile and much more comfortable than any HSS vest style harness ever thought about being....and it is cheaper too.

Look at it this way....what happens if you fall in a vest, behind the back styled harness and are either knocked unconscious, or you cannot quickly recover or get your suspension relief strap hooked up�your hanging dead in a few minutes! In a mountaineering style harness, like this one.... http://www.rei.com/product/819452/black ... ng-harness that has been in use for decades, you will and can just safely hang there for hours with no risk of suspension trauma.

There is a store down your way, Rock Creek Outfitters, that I suggest you get in contact with and get setup.

where can you buy a harness like yours?

REI in franklin is where I got mine
 

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