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<blockquote data-quote="gary66" data-source="post: 5878472" data-attributes="member: 16621"><p>you kind of prove you lack some understanding.</p><p></p><p>"The machinist cut the threads just like the shooter asked." </p><p></p><p>Competent people will only do that if there is an option to do it. They won't just do it knowing it is wrong. It's not even like anyone needs to do something that hasn't been done. If there is a question, just repeat what the manufacture did. A competent machinist will not do something they aren't able to do and what you experienced has 2 things doing the tango, the machinist and the can manufacture. These days I wouldn't blindly trust the manufacture. People buy and use tree stands right out of the box. They believe it's safe because they are told they are. When I looked into the engineering of them I found they don't use the rule that's been time tested, the rule of 3. If a failure occurs at 300 pounds it's rated safe at 100 pounds. Stands use 2, if it fails at 300, it's rated at 150. It's why so many fail. I never use one out of the box, always add support. Many stands are rated at 300, means it failed at 600, not 900. It's easy to apply 600 pounds of stress because the weight isn't always static. Never looked into cans, but if so many fail... A commercial ladder is rated at 300, does use the rule of 3 and you can tell... most don't know what's being rated, it isn't the ladder, it's each rung.</p><p></p><p>I don't thread barrels, but I am hired to do similar things for home owners, they tell me what they want, I tell them what it takes. I do listen if they suggest other ways to accomplish it and if it's possible I give them what they want, but my experience (competence) typically will give them information they were unaware of. </p><p></p><p>A competent machinist stands behind their work and they have the insurance to prove it. </p><p></p><p>I have had a huge beef with "Pro Shops" mostly archery, nothing professional about everyone I've ever been in. Had a bearing go bad on a cam, went to the "Pro Shop" the manufacture required. When I mentioned the issue he said he doubted it was bad and even if it was it won't effect anything. I was shocked... while he was holding the cam I said, spin it, he hadn't even spun the cam before opening his cake hole. It was obvious it was bad and he went to get a replacement showing up with the wrong one. Long story short I left with the right one.</p><p></p><p>What you describe as a reflection of competence is just incompetence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gary66, post: 5878472, member: 16621"] you kind of prove you lack some understanding. "The machinist cut the threads just like the shooter asked." Competent people will only do that if there is an option to do it. They won't just do it knowing it is wrong. It's not even like anyone needs to do something that hasn't been done. If there is a question, just repeat what the manufacture did. A competent machinist will not do something they aren't able to do and what you experienced has 2 things doing the tango, the machinist and the can manufacture. These days I wouldn't blindly trust the manufacture. People buy and use tree stands right out of the box. They believe it's safe because they are told they are. When I looked into the engineering of them I found they don't use the rule that's been time tested, the rule of 3. If a failure occurs at 300 pounds it's rated safe at 100 pounds. Stands use 2, if it fails at 300, it's rated at 150. It's why so many fail. I never use one out of the box, always add support. Many stands are rated at 300, means it failed at 600, not 900. It's easy to apply 600 pounds of stress because the weight isn't always static. Never looked into cans, but if so many fail... A commercial ladder is rated at 300, does use the rule of 3 and you can tell... most don't know what's being rated, it isn't the ladder, it's each rung. I don't thread barrels, but I am hired to do similar things for home owners, they tell me what they want, I tell them what it takes. I do listen if they suggest other ways to accomplish it and if it's possible I give them what they want, but my experience (competence) typically will give them information they were unaware of. A competent machinist stands behind their work and they have the insurance to prove it. I have had a huge beef with "Pro Shops" mostly archery, nothing professional about everyone I've ever been in. Had a bearing go bad on a cam, went to the "Pro Shop" the manufacture required. When I mentioned the issue he said he doubted it was bad and even if it was it won't effect anything. I was shocked... while he was holding the cam I said, spin it, he hadn't even spun the cam before opening his cake hole. It was obvious it was bad and he went to get a replacement showing up with the wrong one. Long story short I left with the right one. What you describe as a reflection of competence is just incompetence. [/QUOTE]
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