RECOIL ?

[J.Maples]

From you experts. Can you make a comparison of this between the 270 WIN and a 243 Cal. ?
I'm old now and could stand less recoil. I have a LinbSavor slip on recoil pad that I can use on any rifle or my shotgun.
My 270 WIN is a 770 model Remington with a Bushnell 3 X 9 scope.
This rifle is practically new only been sighted in with 8 to 10 shots. Do you think it would be beneficial to try to find a 243 to trade for because of the amount of less recoil ?
Thanks for you opinion.

 

[rdl65]

I recently got a .243 for the same reason. I've owned .270, 30/06, 7mm mag. and many other calibers. I use to not pay any attention to recoil but I'm tired of getting kicked.
You don't notice it if your shooting at game but when you spend a lot of time on the bench that kick gets old. I like to shoot my rifles year round not just a couple of shots before deer season.

 

[ratsnakeboogy]

.243 In a 7.5 pound rifle, 100gr bullet yields 8.8 foot lbs recoil.

.270 in a 8.0 pound rifle, 130gr bullet yields 16.5 foot lbs recoil. Bump up to a 150gr bullet you get 17.0 foot lbs.

So almost twice the recoil of the .243

If your .243 is heavier, or your .270 lighter there is even more difference.

These numbers are using STANDARD velocities in a bolt rifle, and are estimates. They are very close though.

The big problem is FELT recoil can be very different from ACTUAL recoil, and can fluctuate wildly from rifle to rifle.

 

[ratsnakeboogy]

Fun to know:

30/06 150gr, 8.0 pound rifle yields 17.6 recoil pounds.

8mm Rem Mag. 200gr, 8.5 pound rifle yields 32.9 recoil pounds.

350 Rem Mag. 250gr, 8.5 pound rifle yields 34.8 recoil pounds(my model 7 .350 weighs 6.8 pounds scoped and loaded)OUCH!!!

378 Weatherby Mag. 300gr, 10.25 pound rifle yields a whopping 71.1 recoil pounds.

If you are insane read the below.

460 Weatherby Mag. 500gr, 11.25 pound rifle yields a HORRIFYING [color:#FF0000]99.6[/color] recoil pounds. CRAZY!!!

 

[rdl65]

That is some interesting info.

 

[J.Maples]

Thanks for all the good info. I'm not familiar with the 7/08. Tell me more, do you got a pic. and is that some kind of military cal. ?
Can I Google for more info or go to Buds Online gun sales.

Thanks D.A.

 

[6.5 swede]

Just look up 7mm-08 and you will not find anything bad about it. Also look at a 6.5x55. Both are super accurate, low on recoil and great on game. 7mm-08 has abetter variety of bullet weights too.

 

[ratsnakeboogy]

7mm-08 is a .308 necked down to 7mm.

It's a real sleeper cartridge, I love mine.

Having said that, I love the .243 and 6mm Rem. as well.

7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860), 8.0 pound rifle, 12.6 pounds recoil.
Not bad at all.

 

[Hogbear]

Never lost a deer hit with a .243. Been my main deer rifle for 20 years.

 

[Whelen Man]

Don't forget the 260 as well....right in between the 243 and the 7-08. Basically they're all a 308 case and each had recoil in proportion to the bullet weight starting with the 243, 260, 7-08, and going up to the 308. I loaded down a couple of years ago due to medical problems then and went with a 25-06 in a varmint weight rifle with 100 grain bullets. It did what I wanted without sacrificing much.

 

[CBU93]

.25-06

 

[J.Maples]

THANKS AGAIN
Is it hard to find 7mm-08 ammo. and is it more expensive than 270 130gr. ?
I don't plan to load my own.

Is 6.5 X 55 ammo hard to find ?

 

[6.5 swede]

6.5 yes. unless you go to a big store like bass pro or gander mountain. 7mm-08 is getting more popular all the time and should be easy to find. Sometimes you just have to order ammo to get what you want. Just research some calibers on the web and you'll be better informed. Just traded off a .260. Basically same as 6.5 with same bullet, more boom/recoil and no change in performance. Very little ammo to pick from. Good luck.

 

[ratsnakeboogy]

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I was lookin for a model 7 cdl in .350 but had to settle for the 673 still love it tho [/quote][/color]

Mine is a Model 7 Custom KS, I got it from the custom shop before Remington decided they were worth more than their weight in gold.

 

[redblood]

7mmo8 is the way to go because it is much more versatile because of bullet weight and has a higher sectional density that a 243.

 

[Asaltwpn1]

I recently got a Tikka 7mm/08 and seem to like it more than my 243. Too bad not going to get to hunt with it though. My wife likes the way it shoots also.

 

[stik]

the 7mm08 is THE BEST light recoil whitetail round.

 

[ratsnakeboogy]

Remington has Managed Recoil loads for 270. Try them before dropping the money on a new rifle.

x2

But buying a new rifle is fun, so sssssssssssssssssshhhhhh Longhunter! :grin:

 

[Whelen Man]

Remington has Managed Recoil loads for 270. Try them before dropping the money on a new rifle.

I didn't want to mention that and spoil the guy's fun looking for a new rifle.

 

[Tiny]

the 7mm08 is THE BEST light recoil whitetail round.

bout freaking time


i knew it wouldnt be long

No it ain't the 7x57 is Still a good though.

Note on the Recoil I learned a long ago not to get to caught up in those Recoil Foot Lbs Charts/Programs,Not saying they don't have a place but there far more varibles to Felt Recoil than those charts and programs can allow for.FIT,Differences in Stocks,difference in Recoil pads ect ect. Only real to know is shoot a rifle/shotgun and loads and find out. Have shot far too many rifle that should be a shoulder buster and ain't and the other way around as well.

 

[ShaneHallum]

Remington has Managed Recoil loads for 270. Try them before dropping the money on a new rifle.

this is kinda off the topic, but I noticed in the Basspro catalog that it mentioned these shells still had 75% weight retention at 50yards.

Now does that mean at 100 yards its going to around 40% weight retention?

 

[Tiny]

Remington has Managed Recoil loads for 270. Try them before dropping the money on a new rifle.

this is kinda off the topic, but I noticed in the Basspro catalog that it mentioned these shells still had 75% weight retention at 50yards.

Now does that mean at 100 yards its going to around 40% weight retention?

Nope Just means that the range they did there weight retention test at,would need to do one @ 100 to find out.

I would tend to think that it would be close to the same an likely a little better at further ranges due to velocity fall off.The closer the range more stress is on the bullet to stay togther, penerate,expand/mushroom correctaly and retain weight.

BTW- I fired a box of the 30/06 a while back.Was junk in one but was good in another,didn't keep nor measure the group it turned in,but would not second guess useing it in that one.Still would rahter roll my own in that 125gr weight. Was milder as excepted in both on felt recoil.

 

[Buck Assassin]

the 7mm08 is THE BEST light recoil whitetail round.

bout freaking time


i knew it wouldnt be long

But what makes it the best???

 

[ShaneHallum]

Remington has Managed Recoil loads for 270. Try them before dropping the money on a new rifle.

this is kinda off the topic, but I noticed in the Basspro catalog that it mentioned these shells still had 75% weight retention at 50yards.

Now does that mean at 100 yards its going to around 40% weight retention?

Nope Just means that the range they did there weight retention test at,would need to do one @ 100 to find out.

I would tend to think that it would be close to the same an likely a little better at further ranges due to velocity fall off.The closer the range more stress is on the bullet to stay togther, penerate,expand/mushroom correctaly and retain weight.

BTW- I fired a box of the 30/06 a while back.Was junk in one but was good in another,didn't keep nor measure the group it turned in,but would not second guess useing it in that one.Still would rahter roll my own in that 125gr weight. Was milder as excepted in both on felt recoil.

That makes sense

 

[7mm08]

the 7mm08 is THE BEST light recoil whitetail round.

bout freaking time


i knew it wouldnt be long

But what makes it the best???

All you boys are .......Galdarn geniuses! But then I am predugest!

It's the BC(ballistic coefficient), baby! In the words of Richard Vitale

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7mm-08_Remington
same as the elephant killer 7x57 Mauser!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7x57mm_Mauser

 

[jakeway]

the 7mm08 is THE BEST light recoil whitetail round.

Actually, I'd vote for the 260 REM. But the 260 is a lot closer to the 7mm-08 than it is to the 243. (The 260 is usually loaded in 120 to 140 gr bullets, similar weights as the 7mm-08, while the 243 normally maxes out at 100 gr.)

BUT, you have to be a reloader to make the 260 viable, only because the 260 factory ammo is so hard to find, and expensive.

Back to the recoil question, I have a 270, a 260, a 243, and I reload and practice shoot my son's .308 a lot. The 243 is noticably about half the recoil as the 270 (in my guns) but the 260 isn't noticeably more recoil than the 243. If you handload you can get the 7mm-08 to be identical to the 260 in recoil and perfomance, though the 260 would have the slightest of edge at longer range, due to its better BC. I shoot 95% of my deer at 125 yards or less, so the advantages of one of these rounds over another is purely on paper. So I shoot the one that's most comfortable and cheapest to shoot. (260 burns a lot less powder than the 270, and costs practically the same as 7mm-08 or 243, once you have the brass.)

 

[Boone 58]

I like the recoil of the 243 having bought one in a stainless model 7 for my son in 1998. i dont like the fact it is easy to hit a limb and send the bullet off into neverland....but it is a great cartridge. My other son has the 308....couldnt find the the 7mm.08 in a used Model 7 stainless at the time so i stayed with teh 308....shoots great but does have more than a little mild recoil because of the light weight....still i love it over the 243.

 

[FLTENNHUNTER1]

Fun to know:

30/06 150gr, 8.0 pound rifle yields 17.6 recoil pounds.

8mm Rem Mag. 200gr, 8.5 pound rifle yields 32.9 recoil pounds.

350 Rem Mag. 250gr, 8.5 pound rifle yields 34.8 recoil pounds(my model 7 .350 weighs 6.8 pounds scoped and loaded)OUCH!!!

378 Weatherby Mag. 300gr, 10.25 pound rifle yields a whopping 71.1 recoil pounds.

If you are insane read the below.

460 Weatherby Mag. 500gr, 11.25 pound rifle yields a HORRIFYING [color:#FF0000]99.6[/color] recoil pounds. CRAZY!!!

I think a 3-1/2" 12 gauge turkey load in 8 pound gun is around 58 recoil pounds.

 

[Rackseeker]

i dont like the fact it is easy to hit a limb and send the bullet off into neverland

Thats the biggest misconception in ammo. There isn't any such thing as a brush gun, that will shoot thru limbs and not change the flight of the bullet. Any bullet you shoot and hit a limb it will change the bullet flight and point of impact.

 

[Boone 58]

I love the recoil of the 270. Have never had an issue with it and as for the 243, it seems to have no significant recoil whatsoever.