Reaping?

[timberjack86]

Not trying to start a war but I'm at my wit's end. Got a real good friend that's hooked on the tactic. He planning on trying it on public land. What would you guys say to him other than he's going to get himself killed? I have already tried that. He's a new turkey Hunter that loves watching reaping videos.

 

[younggun308]

I guess tell him if he's going to do it, only do it in fields. Still going to get killed though.

 

[Remington700]

Most don't feel the tactic is very sportsman like. Also, on public I am nervous without acting like the animal getting shot. I'd say don't do it.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

Buy him a copy of the Tenth Legion. If he reads it, maybe he will better see the light lol

 

[PalsPal]

Buy him a copy of the Tenth Legion. If he reads it, maybe he will better see the light lol

This is pure turkey hunting to me.

But, fyi, Tom Kelly fully approves fanning, or he did in 2015 when I got his newsletter. Here is the quote,


" Tom and Cuz recorded the television show with Clay and John Beck from White Oak Outfitters on an indian reservation on the South Dakota/Nebraska border using a turkey tail fan as an attractant. Fanning works.
This week we are going to show you how to make Tom's fanning display. Tom made this in his wood shop behind his home in Spanish Fort Alabama. It works, I have taken several gobblers by using it. Here is how to make yours."

 

[Setterman]

skip the safety talk, anyone thinking it's a good idea has long since stopped caring About that

either like Pickett said, make him read the tenth legion, watch Pinhoti Videos, or just discuss the chess match and why it's the WAY to turkey hunt.

if that doesn't work chastise and make fun of him for even considering such a non fair chase, chicken yugo tactic.

I have had great success with the last one When one of my clan strays

 

[Spurhunter]

Not trying to be rude but sometimes you gotta let natural selection take its course. You tried.

 

[ADR]

If he is your friend, try to take him on a woodsman centered turkey hunt. Some guys reap because it's they way they learned to kill turkeys. I was fortunate to have a mentor that taught me how to do it in the woods with a call (or a vest full of em) and no decoys. Maybe you could be that guy to him.

 

[deerfever]

I don't get it at all, you crawl through an area looking like the bird that is legal to shoot. No thank you! I wouldn't do it in my back yard much less on public land. I am afraid someone is going to get shot in the face. I wish the commission would make the tactic illegal in TN. I hope you talk him out of it. Try to take him with you and show him the thrill of getting an old Tom without using this method , if he is new to turkey hunting maybe he has no clue about working a bird with nothing but a call!

 

[cowhunter71]

Personally, I could not be friends with someone who employed this tactic. I'd just let 'em get killed.

 

[Southern Sportsman]

It's been a while since I took hunter safety, but I thought I still had my booklet somewhere. I specifically remember being taught not to wear red or carry a red handkerchief because it could be mistaken for a turkey. I remember thinking about how stupid someone would have to be to shoot a red handkerchief. But as I have gotten older, I have realized that there are a lot of people out there plenty stupid enough to do just that.

If you take a large enough sample size of any demographic, there will be a few stupid ones in the group. Turkey hunting participation has exploded in the last 5-6 years. With more people turkey hunting overall, there are — as a mathematical fact — more stupid people in the turkey woods.

In the hierarchy of stupid people, someone who would shoot at a flash of red without knowing what it is ranks high on the list. But someone who would crawl around during turkey season, holding in front of their face a hyper-realistic replica of the exact thing every turkey hunter is trying to shoot? They outrank the red handkerchief shooters in my book.

Hunter Education Handbook from 1998:

Turkey decoy advertisement from 2021:

How the hell this is still a legal practice is way beyond me.

 

[timberjack86]

Thank everyone. Great answers. Definitely gonna try Tenth Legion and take him on a real turkey hunt.

 

[clwg97]

In Missouri the spring turkey booklet lists out and give a short synopsis of the accidents form the previous year. There were always 1-2 accidents each year from 2 people hunting together and separating to chase a turkey and one ends up shooting the other. It was really eye opening that there were that many each year and it would say if it was a fatality or just an injury. Always made me think about it when I read the booklet. I have attached the one from the 2021, 2019, and 2018 Booklets.

 

[Setterman]

It's been a while since I took hunter safety, but I thought I still had my booklet somewhere. I specifically remember being taught not to wear red or carry a red handkerchief because it could be mistaken for a turkey. I remember thinking about how stupid someone would have to be to shoot a red handkerchief. But as I have gotten older, I have realized that there are a lot of people out there plenty stupid enough to do just that.

If you take a large enough sample size of any demographic, there will be a few stupid ones in the group. Turkey hunting participation has exploded in the last 5-6 years. With more people turkey hunting overall, there are — as a mathematical fact — more stupid people in the turkey woods.

In the hierarchy of stupid people, someone who would shoot at a flash of red without knowing what it is ranks high on the list. But someone who would crawl around during turkey season, holding in front of their face a hyper-realistic replica of the exact thing every turkey hunter is trying to shoot? They outrank the red handkerchief shooters in my book.

Hunter Education Handbook from 1998:
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Turkey decoy advertisement from 2021:
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How the hell this is still a legal practice is way beyond me.

Well said! How there are people who condone this tactic is beyond words, and then the people who do it are even worse. Blood on the hands of the states for still allowing it to occur

 

[megalomaniac]

While a disproportionate percentage of turkey hunting 'accidents' happen to those reaping/ fanning, the vast majority of hunting 'accidents' happen to those stalking 'turkeys' without a decoy.

Never an excuse for shooting someone, but most folks get shot stalking another hunter they thought was a turkey, then the caller/ shooter blasts the guy sneaking in.

It's rare that my guests split up from me for safety reasons, but if I have 4 or 5 hunting at once and we do have to split into 2 parties, I make sure everyone understands the main farm is split in half along a certain fenceline, and you are NEVER to cross over or shoot across that fenceline while the main group is split in two.

As far as reaping itself, no one deserves to get shot, but you are almost asking for it. Sort of like the 'accidental discharge' firearm vidoes on youtube. Cringeworthy.

 

[Boll Weevil]

This ranks right up there with riding a motorcycle without a helmet...if the rider doesn't care about crackin' their head open like an egg on the asphalt why should I? Perhaps it's brash but I tend to agree with others. It's devolved from an ethical debate (if that were possible) to simple preservation of life.

 

[rem270]

Personally, I could not be friends with someone who employed this tactic. I'd just let 'em get killed.

So say a 16 year old kid that is new to turkey hunting was trying to do this you'd just let him get his head blown off rather than having a nice conversation with him over the dangers that could take place that comes to reaping? Some people might just not think of the danger that comes with it. I would never want someone to get killed over it.

 

[waynesworld]

Why is this legal? I know you cant legislate every dumb thing but I know there are a lot of other laws that protect us from a lot less dangerous things. I would hope people would see the person behind the turkey but a person just walking up and sees it may not look twice.

 

[rem270]

Why is this legal? I know you cant legislate every dumb thing but I know there are a lot of other laws that protect us from a lot less dangerous things. I would hope people would see the person behind the turkey but a person just walking up and sees it may not look twice.

I think Alabama outlawed this didn't they? I'd be all in favor of all states outlawing it. But as long as it's legal and someone wants to do it then go for it. I don't think any more or less of a person doing it.

 

[Andy S.]

Very poor and short sighted decision on his part. Surely he values his life and his family's love for him more than the possibly of reaping a turkey on high risk public land. I would have to talk real firm with him, as my grand dad used to do me. No BS, set him straight and make him aware of his dangerous desires. That is the least you can do. As others mentioned above, take him on a woods hunt and teach him how to setup, call, be patient, be patient some more, little more patience, and anticipate and track the approaching turkey in hopes of killing him when he presents himself within range. Good luck.

 

[Andy S.]

I think Alabama outlawed this didn't they? I'd be all in favor of all states outlawing it. But as long as it's legal and someone wants to do it then go for it. I don't think any more or less of a person doing it.

Alabama prohibited methods of hunting:

"Use or possess a decoy while turkey hunting which has mechanical and/or electronic parts that have the capabilities of movement or producing sound or which can be manipulated to do so, including any that are handheld or attached to weapons such as fanning or reaping. In addition, turkey decoys shall only be lawful during spring turkey season."

 

[swd]

I am new to turkey hunting. Last year was my first season. I did not kill a turkey or have any great interactions with birds. We hunted in the "traditional" way by trying to locate birds at or before sunrise, set up near them, and call them in, mostly without the benefit of decoys. It was still a lot of fun, and I look forward to this spring.

I fully understand the risk of reaping, especially on public land, and I believe it is a terrible idea.

That said, I do find the attitude of many turkey hunters to suck. You have your idea of what turkey hunting is and want to crap all over anyone that decides to do it differently.

Hunters need to stick up for one another, pursue poachers, and unite. There are too many out there that enjoy and use the division to reduce our ability to pursue these and other animals.

Any sense of ethics you may have about method and means are assuredly not shared by the animals you pursue, so get over yourself and the idea that your way is the "right" way.

 

[Hunt 365]

Not trying to start a war but I'm at my wit's end. Got a real good friend that's hooked on the tactic. He planning on trying it on public land. What would you guys say to him other than he's going to get himself killed? I have already tried that. He's a new turkey Hunter that loves watching reaping videos.

Good way to die on public land. I've done it several times on private. Wouldn't do it for $1 million on public

 

[scn]

I am new to turkey hunting. Last year was my first season. I did not kill a turkey or have any great interactions with birds. We hunted in the "traditional" way by trying to locate birds at or before sunrise, set up near them, and call them in, mostly without the benefit of decoys. It was still a lot of fun, and I look forward to this spring.

I fully understand the risk of reaping, especially on public land, and I believe it is a terrible idea.

That said, I do find the attitude of many turkey hunters to suck. You have your idea of what turkey hunting is and want to crap all over anyone that decides to do it differently.

Hunters need to stick up for one another, pursue poachers, and unite. There are too many out there that enjoy and use the division to reduce our ability to pursue these and other animals.

Any sense of ethics you may have about method and means are assuredly not shared by the animals you pursue, so get over yourself and the idea that your way is the "right" way.

Or, as a real turkey hunter, you can continue to stand up for ethical hunting practices, and call bs on crap like this. I put people that stick up for this foolishness in the same category as the ones that use yeller acorns. It might be a great way to kill a bird, but, it isn't turkey hunting.

I can assure you that real turkey hunters don't care if the wannabes think we suck because we care about the ethics of the sport.

 

[cowhunter71]

Or, as a real turkey hunter, you can continue to stand up for ethical hunting practices, and call bs on crap like this. I put people that stick up for this foolishness in the same category as the ones that use yeller acorns. It might be a great way to kill a bird, but, it isn't turkey hunting.

I can assure you that real turkey hunters don't care if the wannabes think we suck because we care about the ethics of the sport.

;)

 

[Setterman]

I am new to turkey hunting. Last year was my first season. I did not kill a turkey or have any great interactions with birds. We hunted in the "traditional" way by trying to locate birds at or before sunrise, set up near them, and call them in, mostly without the benefit of decoys. It was still a lot of fun, and I look forward to this spring.

I fully understand the risk of reaping, especially on public land, and I believe it is a terrible idea.

That said, I do find the attitude of many turkey hunters to suck. You have your idea of what turkey hunting is and want to crap all over anyone that decides to do it differently.

Hunters need to stick up for one another, pursue poachers, and unite. There are too many out there that enjoy and use the division to reduce our ability to pursue these and other animals.

Any sense of ethics you may have about method and means are assuredly not shared by the animals you pursue, so get over yourself and the idea that your way is the "right" way.

As a by the book old school turkey hunter, I assure you I could care less if you think I suck or my attitude towards the new generation of kill at all cost hunters is that they are pathetic.

for some of us we started hunting when working a bird on any given morning was a successful hunt.

for some of us the kill is somewhat anticlimactic and the game is far more important.

for some of us this sport is entirely about a gun, call, and shotgun with only a tree or bush to hide us as we call a bird to us.

I've been doing this a long time, and absolutely speak my mind at how disgusting the direction of the sport has turned in The last ten years of so. Gone are the new hunters who desire to learn turkey behavior, how to set up, how to call, when to move, when not to move etc.

Now hunters want to fill tags as fast as possible and with as little challenge as possible.

it started with plastic turkeys, then hiding in a tent with a plastic turkey, now crawling behind fans and shooting loads that kill at 80 yards is cool.

I think this new stuff is trash, and diluting a once fantastic sport.

the only thing that sucks is what is happening to turkey hunting.

Reaping is a dangerous and pitiful tactic. Hunters who use this tactic will get zero respect from me

 

[Displaced_Vol]

In Missouri the spring turkey booklet lists out and give a short synopsis of the accidents form the previous year. There were always 1-2 accidents each year from 2 people hunting together and separating to chase a turkey and one ends up shooting the other. It was really eye opening that there were that many each year and it would say if it was a fatality or just an injury. Always made me think about it when I read the booklet. I have attached the one from the 2021, 2019, and 2018 Booklets.

Wow I've never seen anything like that in KY's or TN's books.

 

[Gravey]

I tried it one time and won't lie it was an adrenaline rush but agree there's no woodsmanship in it and not my cup of tea. From a safety standpoint I wish they'd outlaw it. Would be interesting to know how many birds would've lived if not for being killed in this manner. I'm guessing a bunch.

 

[PalsPal]

That said, I do find the attitude of many turkey hunters to suck. You have your idea of what turkey hunting is and want to crap all over anyone that decides to do it differently.

You've caught on pretty quickly.

It's VERY similar to politics and religion. As with those instances, just ignore and move on. You don't get dragged down and it drives them crazy when you ignore them.

And for the record, reaping doesn't appeal to me.

 

[rem270]

People keep bringing up "old school" style hunting but if you're not making your own broad heads, making a bow out of a stick, or using a spear then you're really not an "old school" hunter. I'm sure the Indians would bash y'all's style the way you bash these "new style" hunters ruining the sport.

And no I'm not a fan of reaping.